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Fairy Tail Speed Revisions

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If so I suggest we wait for it to see how well Erza actually do against Laxus.

This chapter shows Laxus being considerably better in almost everything, while Erza has troubles to keep up with him.
 
The Calaca said:
If so I suggest we wait for it to see how well Erza actually do against Laxus.
This chapter shows Laxus being considerably better in almost everything, while Erza has troubles to keep up with him.
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And they both did say they weren't fighting seriously.
 
We are waiting for both the Next chapter and Jvando's revision so we can tell which one is more consistent.
 
I have everything pixel scaled but I'm still stuck on something and Alex has been busy so I haven't been able to ask for his help. I'm sorry for the delay on this thing :(
 
It's very possible that Base Natsu, Laxus, and Erza have surpassed Base Irene at this point, there's no anti-feat saying they haven't
 
Inb4 Irene rocks up somehow or Jellal has apparently trained to Dragon Irene's level and drops Deus Sema on peeps, completely blitzing them.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
It's very possible that Base Natsu, Laxus, and Erza have surpassed Base Irene at this point, there's no anti-feat saying they haven't
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Nope. Unless it's said somewhere that they are on that lvl then they arent
 
BlackeJan said:
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
It's very possible that Base Natsu, Laxus, and Erza have surpassed Base Irene at this point, there's no anti-feat saying they haven't
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Nope. Unless it's said somewhere that they are on that lvl then they arent
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why?even after 1 year gap they will remain on same stats as 1 year ago?while techniqly natsu should train himself since he want to go on 100yq
 
That's not it. They can get stronger but this is their BASE FORM competing on another Wizards base that took an S class to be enchanted by another S class (?) while helping out in the fight and they still had a hard time
 
@BlackeJan

I'm not saying they're definitely stronger, but still there's no evidence saying they can't be stronger than Base Irene, it's been 1 year, characters can get way stronger in that timeframe, in 1 year, Base Natsu went from being way weaker than Base Mard Geer to being able to compete with Characters far above his Etherious Form, so X792 Natsu could have gotten significantly stronger over the past year, especially since he likely would have been training to be able to go on the 100 Year Quest, so it's quite possible Base Natsu surpassed Base Irene

I'm not saying it for sure, but there's no anti-feat
 
BlackeJan said:
That's not it. They can get stronger but this is their BASE FORM competing on another Wizards base that took an S class to be enchanted by another S class (?) while helping out in the fight and they still had a hard time
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What are you trying to say?
 
He is saying that Irene was no diffing Erza amped by Wendy and Wendy at the same time so he finds it hard to belive that 100YQ peeps are now as fast as Irene.
 
That was X792 Erza and Wendy, for all we know, 100 Year Quest Erza is far beyond her X792 Key, point being there's no anti-feat that is against Erza being faster and stronger now

The burden of proof is on the opposition
 
Natsu went from 7-B to High 7-A in base from x791 to x792 in around the same or less time that it has been since the end of the alvarez arc to the beginning of 100 YQ, the characters having become much faster/stronger shouldn't be so hard to believe.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
That was X792 Erza and Wendy, for all we know, 100 Year Quest Erza is far beyond her X792 Key, point being there's no anti-feat that is against Erza being faster and stronger now

The burden of proof is on the opposition
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IF u are saying the burden of proof is on me then that's not true Since it's u that think she they are on that lvl. I can ONLY picture Laxus being on par with Base Irene but Base Erza is a no right there
 
Tbf his speed didn't get an enormous boost between X791 and X792 so using the AP jump as evidence for speed is a no. That said, Mitch is correct in saying there is no anti-feat. The fact that these characters were training to take on the 100YQ quest and for a whole year is more than enough to dispel any calls of outlier if a superior feat to those prior arises.
 
@BlackeJan Base Erza already kept up with Base Irene, she was literally dodging all of her attacks, not to mention she scales higher than her in AP in 100 Year Quest

Once again, I don't have to prove Base Erza is faster since she is keeping up with a character with a Sub-Rel feat, plus it's been a year and she could be far stronger for all we know, you haven't given a single piece of evidence against

What you're saying is a Divine Fallacy, basically because you can't understand how something is possible, therefore it is wrong, which doesn't work
 
The only problem I see with this feat is it being an outlier since erzas feat got dow traded to mach 4k. Also the OP should be updated with the revised calcs.
 
Can I just point out Erza has numerous speed feats below MHS+ but we still scale her to MHS+. The mach 4k also didn't require much effort on her part, she saw the lightning and hopped away.
 
I'm just waiting till next chapter till we how Erza compares with Laxus in Speed

Laxus being far faster than before makes it not an Outlier for him, but there definitely is a chance Erza doesn't scale if she fails to keep up with Laxus next chapter

In that scenario this feat would only scale to Top and God Tiers, basically characters who are far beyond Laxus
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
@BlackeJan Base Erza already kept up with Base Irene, she was literally dodging all of her attacks, not to mention she scales higher than her in AP in 100 Year Quest

Once again, I don't have to prove Base Erza is faster since she is keeping up with a character with a Sub-Rel feat, plus it's been a year and she could be far stronger for all we know, you haven't given a single piece of evidence against

What you're saying is a Divine Fallacy, basically because you can't understand how something is possible, therefore it is wrong, which doesn't work
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U mean when she had help? u mean when she was enchanted? yeah no. Where is your proof that Base Erza (100y Quest) > Base Irene? last time I checked Erza (in her strongest armor) was struggling to keep up with Base Irene (who wasn't trying much) while enchanted by Wendy

What I'm the world is Divine Fallacy? is that made up?
 
Divine Fallacy has another name that is on this site that is escaping me at the moment

Base Erza is 6-C while Base Irene is At least High 7-A

We don't have any evidence that Base Irene is stronger than 100 Year Quest Erza, so we can't just scale Base Irene to 6-C
 
The full definition.

Argument from incredulity, also known as argument from personal incredulity or appeal to common sense, is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine.
 
Not even close to Fallacy. If that's the case then where is AGAIN the proof that Base Erza is stronger then Base Irene?
 
IF u are saying the burden of proof is on me then that's not true Since it's u that think she they are on that lvl. I can ONLY picture Laxus being on par with Base Irene but Base Erza is a no right there

The bolded is your argument from incredulity, a fallacy. You don't even say why you believe Laxus could possibly scale and why Erza wouldn't, just put forth your opinion on what their speed and power levels are.

As for your proof on who is stronger, look at their tiers. Literally no other evidence needs to be brought forth by people claiming base 100YQ Erza > base Irene. Burden on proof lies with the person going against the profiles as it always has.
 
@AnonymousBlank

By that I meant that Laxus would be stronger then Base Irene but not Base Irene. For one thing Erza strongest armour should be stronger then Base Irene but Base Erza is a big no
 
Okay but why is only Laxus possibly stronger? Base Erza is 8.8 gigatons while base Irene is only scaling massively above 2.2 gigatons. Not seeing why Erza can't be stronger if not, at the very least, comparable.
 
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