Fairy Tail Speed Revisions

[The_Calaca]

I have no problems with Raiko being legit. I'm just concerned because if Wall couldn't analyze it, there might be a reason. Although I doubt it.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

What the hell did I come back to? The hell is this "inspiration" stuff I am reading. Laxus wasn't inspired by Yuri at all, he made Raiko as an homage to the guy. Its still his lightning but far stronger and with a swanky new paint job.

 

[ShadowGun45]

about him not being able to analyze must be because it was red and black lightning and he had never seen anything like it

 

[CNBA3]

I don't know where this inspired thing came from, and it is more than just a swanky new paint job.

 

[ShadowGun45]

actually red lightning are usually phenomanons called Sprites in real world where they happen in the upper atsmosphere above Thunderstorms, and they can actually move downward at a speed of 10-3% the speed of light. From what I have read

if there is such a radius, then should we consider this speed?

 

[BlackeJan]

Someone above said it was inspired and I didn't know that it "was" inspired.

I still don't understand how it's slower to begin with (whoever said that) but was both calcs remade?

 

[ShadowGun45]

Someone above said it was inspired and I didn't know that it "was" inspired.

I still don't understand how it's slower to begin with (whoever said that) but was both calcs remade?

I expressed myself wrong

 

[The_Calaca]

@ShadowGun he should have been able to anyway.

But let's not dig in this matter. Let's get back to topic.

Erza' feat has a problem. And that is the calculated distance doesn't take into account how far away from the camera the lightning was. It's essentially the same issue Jura's calc had.

If you calc the average width of the lightning compared to Erza's body you might be able to angsize that.

 

[BlackeJan]

Why not just ask Alex to calc it? he's trustworthy with it

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Cause I already calced it and need to only make a few minor adjustments

 

[BlackeJan]

And what are u recalcing again?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Slight distance adjustments mostly

 

[BlackeJan]

Is it for all the calcs?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Only the red lightning ones

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

OK, so due to proper revisions, the speed feats are now

Erza Dodges Lightning: Massively Hypersonic+ (Mach 7240.88)

Laxus Blitzes Lightning: Sub-Relativistic (1.7% SoL)

We should discuss if Base Erza should scale to Laxus in Speed

 

[The_Calaca]

The difference isn't too big, but she seems to be keeping up with Laxus and not the other way around. I think she should be MHS+ only.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Here's what I think

Massively Hypersonic+ (Mach 7240.88): All 100 Year Quest Base Forms

Sub-Relativistic (1.7% SoL): Dual Element Swords Erza, Red Lightning Laxus, and everyone who scales above them

Basically only Top and God Tiers get Sub-Relativistic since We don't know how Red Lightning Laxus scales to FDKM Natsu and the others

 

[The_Calaca]

That seems fine.

 

[ShadowGun45]

Erza blitza Laxus before she uses the 2 enchanted swords, so she must climb to Laxus speed

it seems that Erza dodged the lightning quite easily and Laxus took advantage that she was dodging the lightning to catch her in the air

 

[The_Calaca]

The rest of the fight you can see Laxus having the advantage and outpacing her.

 

[ShadowGun45]

The rest of the fight you can see Laxus having the advantage and outpacing her.

Erza showed superiority here

At no time did Laxus prove superior to Erza in speed, he just had the advantage of power

 

[ShadowGun45]

could anyone Calculate this feat?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Don't really have too, those two feats of dodging Laxus shows that she's comparable in speed to Laxus

 

[The_Calaca]

That seems to be the only instance which could very well be a fluke.

That feat won't give anything impressive.

 

[ShadowGun45]

That seems to be the only instance which could very well be a fluke.

That feat won't give anything impressive.

At no time did Laxus prove superior to Erza in speed, he just had the advantage of power

If Erza was the only one who showed superiority in speed then it is normal for her to climb with Laxus Red Lightning.

 

[The_Calaca]

Looking at what Kobster linked.

Page 6, 7, 11 and 12 show Laxus either blitzing or outpacing Erza while the best she can do is block or clash with him, blitzing him once.

 

[ShadowGun45]

Laxus had the power advantage and kept electrocuting Erza so there wasn't much she could do

By the time she managed to keep a little distance, she was able to give Laxus Blitz

 

[The_Calaca]

I'm unsure. I can comromise on giving her Sub Rel tho, but it's the only instance where she shows such speed.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Hold on, more changes are coming, Sub-Rel could be on a higher level, Mass Hypersonic+ could be lower, just hold on

 

[The_Calaca]

Yeah, I saw the last edit. How did you get a higher result if the distance Erza moved is lower than before?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Because Alex told me to not assume distance from Lightning to the ground was 1 Foot, he said just pixel scale it, so it became a much lower distance, I initially lowballed to be safe, but he said pixel scaling was ok

 

[The_Calaca]

I see. That's fine.

 

[ShadowGun45]

Could this escalate to Natsu?

 

[BlackeJan]

Here's what I think
Massively Hypersonic+ (Mach 7240.88): All 100 Year Quest Base Forms

Sub-Relativistic (1.7% SoL): Dual Element Swords Erza, Red Lightning Laxus, and everyone who scales above them

Basically only Top and God Tiers get Sub-Relativistic since We don't know how Red Lightning Laxus scales to FDKM Natsu and the others

Not all base forms scale to Erza since shes stronger then Base Lucy, Wendy, Gray, and Natsu. Not only that but Sub-Rel should only scale to Erza in her strongest armor

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

In 100 Year Quest and X792

Base Natsu>=Base Erza

 

[1997KD]

Here's what I think

Massively Hypersonic+ (Mach 7240.88): All 100 Year Quest Base Forms

Sub-Relativistic (1.7% SoL): Dual Element Swords Erza, Red Lightning Laxus, and everyone who scales above them

Basically only Top and God Tiers get Sub-Relativistic since We don't know how Red Lightning Laxus scales to FDKM Natsu and the others

Duel element sword didn't boost erza physical stats, while laxus scale two both feets in his RLDM

 

[ShadowGun45]

In 100 Year Quest and X792

Base Natsu>=Base Erza

I will try to make a Thread to talk about the Dragon Force Speed Multiplier

 

[ShadowGun45]

Not all base forms scale to Erza since shes stronger then Base Lucy, Wendy, Gray, and Natsu. Not only that but Sub-Rel should only scale to Erza in her strongest armor

Erza's strongest armor is the Nakagami, but she also showed feats to get sub Rel with the rag armor

 

[BlackeJan]

In 100 Year Quest and X792

Base Natsu>=Base Erza

No. Idk how u even got there but that's not true unless it is said somewhere that he is then it will always be Base Erza > Base Natsu. Have u forgotten that she trained too?

 

[HenryWong122]

Not all base forms scale to Erza since shes stronger then Base Lucy, Wendy, Gray, and Natsu. Not only that but Sub-Rel should only scale to Erza in her strongest armor

Erza's strongest armor is the Nakagami, but she also showed feats to get sub Rel with the rag armor
You mean with the Clear Heart Clothing.