Fairy Tail Speed Revisions

[BlackeJan]

The Clear Heart Clothing is one of her strongest armor so no this goes Sub Rel only goes to her strongest armor and anyone that scales to it

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

@BlackeJan

I'm not saying he's far above her, they're pretty much even, but I give Base Natsu the slight edge since he did better than Base Erza against Spriggans, Mercphobia, and the Dragon Eaters

Plus Base Erza has literally done nothing impressive the entire 100 Year Quest, she needed her amp swords to even compete with Kiria and Laxus

 

[HenryWong122]

In 100 Year Quest and X792

Base Natsu>=Base Erza

No. Idk how u even got there but that's not true unless it is said somewhere that he is then it will always be Base Erza > Base Natsu. Have u forgotten that she trained too?

100 Year Quest: Island level (Comparable to Base Natsu), higher with Dragon Slayer Sword: Belserion (Overpowered Kiria. Damaged Red Lightning Dragon Mode Laxus, but is still overall weaker), even higher with Fire Dragon's Sword and Ice Devil's Sword (Borrows power from Base Natsu and Ice Devil Slayer Mark Gray. Fought and matched Red Lightning Dragon Mode Laxus)

 

[ShadowGun45]

if Natsu base scales with Erza then with Dragon Force will Natsu's speed double? Wendy proved that Dragon Force increases by at least 2x

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Can you provide scans of that multiplier

 

[1997KD]

if Natsu base scales with Erza then with Dragon Force will Natsu's speed double? Wendy proved that Dragon Force increases by at least 2x

Pretty sure we rejected multipliers

 

[BlackeJan]

Indeed we did rejected the multipliers cause they were inconsistent

 

[BlackeJan]

@BlackeJan

I'm not saying he's far above her, they're pretty much even, but I give Base Natsu the slight edge since he did better than Base Erza against Spriggans, Mercphobia, and the Dragon Eaters

Plus Base Erza has literally done nothing impressive the entire 100 Year Quest, she needed her amp swords to even compete with Kiria and Laxus

Even though Gildarts really only appeared during the way, he never did anything impressive yet he's stronger then most of FT members. Base Natsu faced people who were weaker then the ones Erza went against (aka Irene) so of course he would do better then her. Yup just like how majority of FT fights during the war needed help in there fight as well so again unless is stated somewhere then Base Erza > Base Natsu

 

[AnonymousBlank]

End of Alvarez base Natsu >>> Enchanted Neinhart >>> Brandish = Ajeel =< Erza.

Gildarts get scaled above them because evertime he shows up, he either bodies a member of Team Natsu or bodies the guy that bodied them. It doesn't matter how little he does when those few things cement him as way above the rest of FT except Laxus.

 

[BlackeJan]

That was PoF Natsu and we ALL know how that goes + that was an PIS (said this many times in the past) so again no. It's really not hard to understand that Base Erza > Base Natsu since she always been stronger + she also trained as well. U pretty much just agreed with that example comparison of using Gildarts bro....EVERYONE needed help so unless it's stated anywhere that Base Natsu is stronger then Base Erza then what u are saying is nothing but headcanon

EDIT: imma ignore the fact u think that Laxus is above Gildarts of all people....

 

[The_Calaca]

He didn't say Laxus was above Gildarts tho. He said that Gildarts' feats put him above everyone else but Laxus, which suggest they are comparable, which is true.

 

[BlackeJan]

@Calaca

Reason being cause Gildarts is never around but alright I thought that is what he meant. Power wise? no Laxus isn't on a stronger Gildarts lvl (maybe with RLM) but Base wise no he's not

 

[The_Calaca]

IIRC, Makarov stated that in order to beat Jura they'd need Gildarts, but then Laxus won.

But this off topic so let's not continue this subject.

 

[1997KD]

BlackeJan wrote That was PoF Natsu and we ALL know how that goes + that was an PIS (said this many times in the past) so again no.

only you think that way, i even doubt if you know how pof even work.

It's really not hard to understand that Base Erza > Base Natsu since she always been stronger + she also trained as well.


this maybe true till tratraous arc, after 1 year time skip natsu was the one who actually trained.

U pretty much just agreed with that example comparison of using Gildarts bro....EVERYONE needed help so unless it's stated anywhere that Base Natsu is stronger then Base Erza then what u are saying is nothing but headcano


I see you still labeling eveything with pof for the sake of lowbaling natsu.

after 1 year timeskip erza was never stronger than base natsu, otherwise she just ended up destroying the wargod instead of natsu.

EDIT: imma ignore the fact u think that Laxus is above Gildarts of all people.... again no one think laxus>gil


also clear heart clothng is still base erza because it didnt amo her speed. this form only apm her offensive capabilities. she can still go faster using cheetha armor, but then see need to sacrifice her ap

 

[ShadowGun45]

Can you provide scans of that multiplier

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after wendy used dragon force she started giving blitz no ezel [Chapter 377]

 

[BlackeJan]

BlackeJan wrote
That was PoF Natsu and we ALL know how that goes + that was an PIS (said this many times in the past) so again no.

only you think that way, i even doubt if you know how pof even work.

It's really not hard to understand that Base Erza > Base Natsu since she always been stronger + she also trained as well.


this maybe true till tratraous arc, after 1 year time skip natsu was the one who actually trained.

U pretty much just agreed with that example comparison of using Gildarts bro....EVERYONE needed help so unless it's stated anywhere that Base Natsu is stronger then Base Erza then what u are saying is nothing but headcano


I see you still labeling eveything with pof for the sake of lowbaling natsu.

after 1 year timeskip erza was never stronger than base natsu, otherwise she just ended up destroying the wargod instead of natsu.

EDIT: imma ignore the fact u think that Laxus is above Gildarts of all people.... again no one think laxus>gil


also clear heart clothng is still base erza because it didnt amo her speed. this form only apm her offensive capabilities. she can still go faster using cheetha armor, but then see need to sacrifice her ap

only you think that way, i even doubt if you know how pof even work.

Cause its true that others had even agreed with me (even now) back then so ill give ya that for trying. I even explain the reason as well

this maybe true till tratraous arc, after 1 year time skip natsu was the one who actually trained.

It was said that EVERYONE trained so dont know where u reading at

I see you still labeling eveything with pof for the sake of lowbaling natsu.

after 1 year timeskip erza was never stronger than base natsu, otherwise she just ended up destroying the wargod instead of natsu.

What you said here to what i wrote is laughable that i actually cried. That sentence ive said didnt had any "PoF" in it so where are you even looking? Where was it stated that Base Natsu > Base Erza? cause thats nothing but headcanon if you ask me

again no one think laxus>gil

Literally im sure you just said that just to say that....the last comment was Ive was like 15 mins before you had to say anything about it so why bother saying it when you saw what me and Calaca said?

also clear heart clothng is still base erza because it didnt amo her speed. this form only apm her offensive capabilities. she can still go faster using cheetha armor, but then see need to sacrifice her ap

Yup you are saying this for the sake of upgrades. If that was the case then what is the point of Erza going from her Heart Crest Armor to the Clear Heart? do u not even know what her base is? Clear Heart is one of her strongest armor since she wont majority of fight in it (its really not hard to understand)

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I love how everytime Natsu has a feat, people claim Power of Friendship is the reason, we've already gone over that he's always using it, as magic itself, is literally the power of emotions

Plus it's agreed upon that Natsu got stronger over the Alvarez Arc, and yeah, we scale Base Erza and Natsu to the same thing

So they should scale to each other in speed

 

[The_Calaca]

PoF aside, I'm now concerned about the difference in both feats.

I can compromise on Sub-Rel, but if there's more feats supporting Erza's rating I'd suggest get back to Mach 4800.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Finally! A comment that is on topic.

What is the issue you are having Calaca?

 

[The_Calaca]

Before the revision, both calcs were Sub-Rel, proving consistency. But now Erza's feat is halfway MHS+ and Laxus' high end Sub-Rel, so I'm not sure if we can scale them to Laxus now.

 

[ShadowGun45]

The difference between the two Calculations is really big, but Erza showed no difficulty in dodging the beam and still managed to be faster than Laxus

I think Gray, Natsu, Erza, Gajeel and Mira should climb to Sub Rel

 

[The_Calaca]

You're missing the point. Being that Laxus' feat could be very well be an outlier.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Dont they already scale to sub rel from Irene's meteor feat?

 

[ShadowGun45]

Hadn't Gajeel done a 2% SoL save Levi from lightning? Shouldn't we see if the calculation is really correct?

 

[The_Calaca]

IIRC that was downgraded and Jvando is doing a revision anyway, so we can't rely on Deus Sema yet.

 

[The_Calaca]

@Shadow that's an outlier.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

IIRC that was downgraded and Jvando is doing a revision anyway, so we can't rely on Deus Sema yet.

We shoild wait for that calc to be released before we call this feat an outlier.

 

[ShadowGun45]

Don't have a Bickslow Speed feat in the Infinite clock saga?

 

[The_Calaca]

I know, that's why I said I can compromise on Sub Rel.

 

[Jvando]

Yee, I'll be hopefully getting this thing done today, latest tomorrow. There was an issue I ran into that I need to discuss with a CGM about.

 

[The_Calaca]

Okay. Take your time.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

@Jvando

Deus Sema AP increase but Speed Decreases, correct? That's the idea, because Aidenbrooks messed up the pixel scaling a bit

 

[ShadowGun45]

At speed I think that Erza with the rags>=Laxus Red Lightning>>>Erza with Broken Bones

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Yes to that^

 

[ShadowGun45]

made of bickslow happens in episode 142 minute 13:58

 

[Siegfried10]

In what world is Erza faster than Laxus? Laxus has always been one pf the fastest in FT with Jellal. Plus, Laxus proved overall faster in the new chapter.

 

[ShadowGun45]

In what world is Erza faster than Laxus? Laxus has always been one pf the fastest in FT with Jellal. Plus, Laxus proved overall faster in the new chapter.

Erza gave Blitz at Laxus

 

[Siegfried10]

In what world is Erza faster than Laxus? Laxus has always been one pf the fastest in FT with Jellal. Plus, Laxus proved overall faster in the new chapter.

Erza gave Blitz at Laxus

Blitzing someone once doesnt mean much if you are constantly shown to be slower, which happened in this chapter.

 

[ShadowGun45]

she gave laxus blitz twice

 

[The_Calaca]

When is the next chapter coming out?