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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga

Guys, while Natsu is doing extremely well compared to Erza right now, I guarantee she’ll get the same level of feats when she whoops Misaki’s ass
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Guys, while Natsu is doing extremely well compared to Erza right now, I guarantee she’ll get the same level of feats when she whoops Misaki’s ass
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That's a given. And I'm pretty sure Laxus will win against Kirin. That's just how this shit works dude.

Even then, if she has to use CHC or one of her strongest armors, base Natsu will still be superior to base Erza
 
Just rewatched Natsu vs Gildarts to see if I have warmed up to it yet, holy shit does everything about that frustrate me. Even weirder, I'm like the only one who doesn't like that fight or the lesson it tried to push.
 
Eseseso said:
I like the lesson. The fight? Meh.
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The lesson is fine, certain parts are self defeating as hell, but that's just because of the wording. The 'fear is fine and natural' angle is okay, the 'giving into fear and backing down will make you stronger and wiser' isn't and just like straight up isn't true. There's a difference between knowing your limits and letting them control you.

The whole thing on the philosophical front is just straight up sloppy imo.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
The lesson is fine, certain parts are self defeating as hell, but that's just because of the wording. The 'fear is fine and natural' angle is okay, the 'giving into fear and backing down will make you stronger and wiser' isn't and just like straight up isn't true. There's a difference between knowing your limits and letting them control you.

The whole thing on the philosophical front is just straight up sloppy imo.
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Mate you're completely misunderstanding the lesson... Gildarts doesn't say backing down and being afraid makes someone stronger. He says that it's brave to admit that you're afraid and be cautious. And that beig afraid is not bad, because knowing your own weaknesses allows you to overcome them and become stronger and wiser.

It's about acknowledging your own fears and weaknesses and overcoming them, he never says "Give in to fear" at all...
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Mate you're completely misunderstanding the lesson... Gildarts doesn't say backing down and being afraid makes someone stronger. He says that it's brave to admit that you're afraid and be cautious. And that beig afraid is not bad, because knowing your own weaknesses allows you to overcome them and become stronger and wiser.

It's about acknowledging your own fears and weaknesses and overcoming them, he never says "Give in to fear" at all...
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I know, I ready said that part is fine, it's just how it was used as justification for Natsu backing down that seems counter intuitive and almost self defeating. Gildarts praises Natsu for backing down, and I don't think that should really be encouraged, him encouraging that is the biggest problem, that's what I meant before. Feeling fear and letting it control you are two entirely different things.

The lesson is literally half baked, as knowing your limits means nothing if you can't push them. Gildarts doesn't say anything about pushing through fear, and lets Natsu pass. It's so unsatisfying imo

Thankfully Natsu quickly regains the trait to keep moving and stand back up and never accept defeat, the one he threw away, and stood up despite feeling fear. But that was already in character for him, to keep moving, to keep fighting despite being aware he was weaker, so what the hell was the lesson for in the first place?

The way I interpreted Natsu's character made it so it barely connected with the lesson at all. The lesson didn't apply to him in any meaningful way for me.

Natsu is constantly reminded of his limits and shortcomings by other characters, he was never that high on a pedestal to begin with given how he is treated by both his enemies and his friends. So he was aware of his weaknesses, he just never let it stop him. Until now.

Natsu threw away one of his defining character traits, the ability to keep moving in spite of obstacles, in spite of his own limits, for the sake of a lesson he didn't need.

If Natsu looked back on him surrendering as a mistake and then heeded Gildarts advice about fear, then I would be fine with it.

If we got a rematch with Natsu telling Gildarts about how important pushing past fear is, I would be fine with it.

But we don't get any of that. That is all we get. The lesson itself was fine, it's implementation was not.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
I know, I ready said that part is fine, it's just how it was used as justification for Natsu backing down that seems counter intuitive and almost self defeating. Gildarts praises Natsu for backing down, and I don't think that should really be encouraged, him encouraging that is the biggest problem, that's what I meant before. Feeling fear and letting it control you are two entirely different things.

The lesson is literally half baked, as knowing your limits means nothing if you can't push them. Gildarts doesn't say anything about pushing through fear, and lets Natsu pass. It's so unsatisfying imo

Thankfully Natsu quickly regains the trait to keep moving and stand back up and never accept defeat, the one he threw away, and stood up despite feeling fear. But that was already in character for him, to keep moving, to keep fighting despite being aware he was weaker, so what the hell was the lesson for in the first place?

The way I interpreted Natsu's character made it so it barely connected with the lesson at all. The lesson didn't apply to him in any meaningful way for me.

Natsu is constantly reminded of his limits and shortcomings by other characters, he was never that high on a pedestal to begin with given how he is treated by both his enemies and his friends. So he was aware of his weaknesses, he just never let it stop him. Until now.

Natsu threw away one of his defining character traits, the ability to keep moving in spite of obstacles, in spite of his own limits, for the sake of a lesson he didn't need.

If Natsu looked back on him surrendering as a mistake and then heeded Gildarts advice about fear, then I would be fine with it.
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The whole message is literally "It's ok to be afraid", that's all

Why do you dislike that so much? Natsu recklessly pushing forward with no thought or caution is on one hand a strength, he flat out says this to Natsu, but Gildarts was just telling Natsu it's also brave to know that sometimes you're outmatched and can't win just by blindly charging forward, which Natsu takes to heart for the rest of the series, as he begins to rely more on others and be more cautious about how he approaches situations. Now obviously Natsu still continues to press forward and charge in when he wants to, that's ok, Gildarts never said that was an incorrect action, just said there's a different way to approach things

I think that's a very good message, taking a step back to consider your fears and situation is a very important life lesson
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
The whole message is literally "It's ok to be afraid", that's all

Why do you dislike that so much? Natsu recklessly pushing forward with no thought or caution is on one hand a strength, he flat out says this to Natsu, but Gildarts was just telling Natsu it's also brave to know that sometimes you're outmatched and can't win just by blindly charging forward, which Natsu takes to heart for the rest of the series, as he begins to rely more on others and be more cautious about how he approaches situations. Now obviously Natsu still continues to press forward and charge in when he wants to, that's ok, Gildarts never said that was an incorrect action, just said there's a different way to approach things

I think that's a very good message, taking a step back to consider your fears and situation is a very important life lesson
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Mitch my son, I already told you, the lesson is fine. It's implementation and lack of future use was shoddy.

I would forgive the further kicking of the already down Natsu and how unnecessary it was if we got a rematch, if we got Natsu's own input and opinion rather than him blindly accept the platitude and advice, if we see Natsu get flashbacks to him surrendering and him swearing to never do it again, knowing he can't if his family is on the line. That is infinitely more in line with his character than what we got.

The lack of follow up is what frustrates me the most, we don't get a rematch, no redemption for Natsu for throwing away what makes him, him. No him telling Gildarts his response to his lesson. All of the changes the lesson supposedly inspired we're already in character for him to begin with.
 
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Just curious, between X791 Base Natsu and X784 LFDM/DF Natsu (since X784 Natsu's DF was stated to be comparable to his LFDM in power), which one is stronger by scaling?

I know X791 Base Natsu scales to a slightly higher calc, but scaling wise which one would be stronger?
 
Eseseso said:
Just curious, between X791 Base Natsu and X784 LFDM/DF Natsu (since X784 Natsu's DF was stated to be comparable to his LFDM in power), which one is stronger by scaling?

I know X791 Base Natsu scales to a slightly higher calc, but scaling wise which one would be stronger?
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X784 LFDM Natsu, who stomped Base Hades
 
Eseseso said:
Ah, so since Base Hades = Hades Franmalth = Silver = Base Natsu, LFDM is above that.

Thanks for the clarification. Been bugging me for a while so glad to get a good answer.
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yeah cause weirdly enough

The amp Natsu's LFDM got from Tenrou Blessing was WAY bigger than 2nd Origin amp lmao
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
yeah cause weirdly enough

The amp Natsu's LFDM got from Tenrou Blessing was WAY bigger than 2nd Origin amp lmao
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Well nah, I meant before that, when LFDM was just beating the shit out of Base Hades

The Tenrou Tree being reformed just returned their magic power
 
Btw, I noticed another creepy moment in Fairy Tail.

The way Cosmos acts towards Wendy (who is 13 as of X791) is so f*cking creepy.

Calling her beautiful, touching her face, saying that she "loves" Wendy...Ugh.
 
I forgot

Doesn't this one shot about Erza and meeting Biscka back when she was a rogue take place post GMG?

fairytail.fandom.com

She's Erza!!

She's Erza!! is an omake of Fairy Tail by Hiro Mashima. Heading to a bar to play pool, Erza has an encounter with a thief using the Fairy Tail name to send fear through the townspeople. Enraged, Erza confronts the woman and gives her a heavy beating, though, coming to understand the woman's...
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Was it ever stated how much Jellal was nerfed by his thought projection pre time skip?

Like what amount of power he was restricted to?

30%

50%

?
 
Got a nice juicy Mashima-verse battle here!


Also, does anyone know if the Mashima story universes are all canon/connected to each other OUTSIDE of that one crossover event?

Also, I realized that as much as I liked Mitch's uber-upgrades to the Top Tiers and God Tiers, it did have the unfortunate side effect of making a vs thread of mine that had literally concluded like a week earlier obsolete and thus requiring of deletion. Which honestly sucked, ngl.

It was that Natsu vs Kenshiro one.
 
Eseseso said:
Also, I realized that as much as I liked Mitch's uber-upgrades to the Top Tiers and God Tiers, it did have the unfortunate side effect of making a vs thread of mine that had literally concluded like a week earlier obsolete and thus requiring of deletion. Which honestly sucked, ngl.

It was that Natsu vs Kenshiro one.
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Natsu is High 6-A in other keys now so it can work still
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Natsu is High 6-A in other keys now so it can work still
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I know, it's just that I was proud of making a decent vs thread for once.

Ah well, guess it was worth the sacrifice for FT to get boosted.

Besides, the result with any other high 6-A Natsu would be the same due to kenshiro's hax, not to mention his 100% post seals lifted self is now a 5-C thanks to multipliers so his EoS version stomps any High 6-A in FT.
 
Eseseso said:
I know, it's just that I was proud of making a decent vs thread for once.

Ah well, guess it was worth the sacrifice for FT to get boosted.

Besides, the result with any other high 6-A Natsu would be the same due to kenshiro's hax, not to mention his 100% post seals lifted self is now a 5-C thanks to multipliers so his EoS version stomps any High 6-A in FT.
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Try using the strogest form of Natsu
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Mitch my son, I already told you, the lesson is fine. It's implementation and lack of future use was shoddy.

I would forgive the further kicking of the already down Natsu and how unnecessary it was if we got a rematch, if we got Natsu's own input and opinion rather than him blindly accept the platitude and advice, if we see Natsu get flashbacks to him surrendering and him swearing to never do it again, knowing he can't if his family is on the line. That is infinitely more in line with his character than what we got.

The lack of follow up is what frustrates me the most, we don't get a rematch, no redemption for Natsu for throwing away what makes him, him. No him telling Gildarts his response to his lesson. All of the changes the lesson supposedly inspired we're already in character for him to begin with.
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You lack reading comprehension, and I’m glad you are pretty much the only one who thinks of this fight like that.

Like holy shit, your name describes you very well.
 
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