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Like I don't hate it or anything, it's just I've seen like 3 different OC x Erza fanfics/natza fanfics that were way more compelling than Jerza
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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga
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Jellal treats erza as the reward for completing his narcissistic redemption quest; hence why their relationship isn't compelling and why jellal doesn't deserve her.
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So I get the High 6A part. But how did they become 5A?
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Hard disagree here, Jellal post 7 year timeskip is the furthest from narcissism as he can be. Jellal has little regard for himself, and prevents himself from having any sort of happiness because of all the terrible things he's done. He doesn't treat Erza as some reward either. Erza is the one that is actively pursuing Jellal at this point.
If I'm being honest, and I know people are gonna disagree with me but, from a romantic standpoint, Nalu is quite literally the weakest developed ship rn. We actively know the various feelings floating between the ships such as Jerza almost kissing, Gray saying he loves Juvia to Juvina, Gale having a baby on the way, except for Nalu. We don't have anything that 100% confirms romantic feelings in either direction.
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Valid. I think it's a relationship that has good chemistry yet has bad origins, if that makes sense.
Heathen.
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LOL
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Had to say it, since no doubt that would be the first assumption.
Besides, by the End of the Series, Zoro's gonna have 3 other women as his wives. And so will Sanji.
Which of course will make them fight about it.
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![r/fairytail - Posting Mashima artwork everyday until 100 years quest releases: Day 3 [media]](https://preview.redd.it/mdhwu07imlk81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=424eb4c226c08b492b9ae44670211ee4a198768d "r/fairytail - Posting Mashima artwork everyday until 100 years quest releases: Day 3 [media]")
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It'll only be one of those "10 years later" sort of ending chapters.
Besides, Luffy will only be with Hancock and no one else, which is unlike 90% of Luffy shipping fanfics out there.
Although Luffy will be at least 18 when they meet instead of the canon 17, due to both the pre-timeskip story having far more arcs and also it being less creepy than canon since canon has a 31 year old (albeit with the mind of a teenager from her time as a slave) lusting after a 17 year old.
And asides from those 2 everyone else will be just a single pairing.
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Nah I agree I like Jellal's redemption, Hell he's one of my top 10 favorite FT characters
But Erza x Jellal is a horrible ship to make canon. Pretty sure I gave my opinion on this before on here
But my reasoning is-
The whole "Ultear was mind controlling them the WHOLE TIME" thing is BS to me
Here's how I see it
It had been stated on many occasions that Jellal is an super strong mage. One of the most powerful in Fiore. He was a Wizard Saint when cannon started when he was about the age of 19 ( iirc )
As strong as Ultear was pre time skip.....she was not on Jellal's level
Maybe more so around Erza tier tbh ( tenrou island arc erza probably )
So it's hard to believe Ultear could continue to control every single one of Jellal's actions. She probably was controlling all his moves at first when they were younger and she was the strong, ya know to steer him in the direction she wanted
But as they grew older and Jellal completely surpassed her in power....I doubt she could influence him like she used to. Sure she still stuck around to make sure he was still on board the whole "revive zeref plan"
But at that point I fully believe Jellal was in control of his own actions, by the time canon started he lost himself to his own darkness making all these new decisions while fully understanding the consequences of his actions. In short, Ultear opened the door but he walked through it.
That's why, I firmly believe that he was in full control of himself during the Tower of Heaven arc, basically jellal was controlled at first but eventually he grew strong enough to make his own decisions and be a grown ass man
The "mind control the entire time" from ultear feels like a plot device that cheapens his redemption somewhat
As I said, I love Jellal's redemption and character and currently in 100 YQ I think he's payed his price multiple times over by this point and just want the dude to be happy for the first time in a long time....but he does not deserve to be with Erza
He lost whatever shot he had with her the moment he told her to run all those years ago. You do not gain a sakura like obsession with jellal ( the sasuke ) after this dude basically left you in a state of mental torture for a decade. That ship ( pardon the pun ) long since sailed, crashed and burned from childhood days of theirs
That's why in the FT AU I am currently writing I am using this interpretation of Jellal^
And there will be no Jerza pairing, Jellal WILL eventually redeem himself and earn Erza's forgiveness the proper way and they will become friends again, eventually strengthening the bond they once had as a children.....but no romantic tension between them
Erza can't see him that way anymore and Jellal realizes even if he did still have feelings for Erza that was in the past and he needs to look towards the future
Anyways that my rant
**** I wrote an essay lmao
What do you think of my view on this?
Anyone else is free to comment too
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I am meh about Erza x Jellal, but that's just kinda cause Jellal is a bit boring of a character after he turns good. He is very much the straight man to Fairy Tail's whackiness. Now he can be badass and I really like his magic, but personality wise, he's far from Fairy Tail's best.
Also Erza is mine, **** off you blue haired e-boy
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Honestly I didn't like Jellal—and, by extension, Jerza—in this sequel manga at all, mostly because I felt his character became too attached to Erza's existence, didn't accomplish much and was needlessly sexualized.
Maybe it is because I haven't read the main series in a long time and much of his characterization and actions had vanished from my memory but I felt that 90% of the time he's on screen was mostly just to appeal to Jerza shippers. He was really sexualized when he was under the White Witch's control which was bizarre since I don't remember Jellal fawning over Erza this much and being this incapable of getting his stuff together. Literally everyone else's personalities and feelings to each other were pretty much intact—just that their perspectives were warped by the mind controller—so what was it about Jellal that would cause his sexuality to dominate so much of his actions and feelings?
His battle against Aldoron's seed also annoyed me since once again when he was inside Ultear's world he only thought of his connection to Erza rather than literally everyone else in his life. No mention of Natsu, Kagura or the members of Crime Sociere—not even freaking Meredy who was like one of the first people to join. He didn't even accomplish much of anything in the sequel manga up to this point, he was ragdolled by the White Witch's whims and utilized by the plot for fanservice until the writers realized that he was actually strong and put him up against a seed, except he got ****** and needed some saving to win.
I don't know what else to say, Jellal just sucked! That one minor plot line between Erza and Jellal at near the end of the arc was indeed serene and I liked that tid-bit a little, but it still did not make up for that whole mess about their relationship.
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I think that fandom has ruined my taste for shipping, because that is all they really care about. I like NaLu as much as the next guy, but almost every piece of fanfiction I've read makes it so Lucy is the only thing Natsu cares about, and its kinda infuriating. There is a goldmine of interactions waiting in Natsu conversing with Wendy, or reconnecting with Lisanna, or literally any exchange that doesn't involve him with Erza or Lucy. Like I would like to see Natsu training Romeo, remember Romeo? Cuz I don't think anyone else does.
I've always found that platonic relationships can be just as compelling as romantic ones.
I've always found that platonic relationships can be just as compelling as romantic ones.
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I agree honestly, I love the shipping in FT, but it's far from the best or even my favorite thing about FT
I swear half the fandom only cares about just the shipping and gave up on story and characters...
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I would kill a man to get to see Natsu and Lisanna become friends again, or get more Natsu and Wendy sibling interactions.
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I like Jellal as a character and by extension Jerza as a ship.
He has a decently written story about a depressed man who did horrible things trying to find self atonement and imo his reaction to the situation is fairly realistic. What sane person wouldn't feel absolutely horrible about killing one of their closest friends, and almost killing the person they care about the most, among many other crimes. His redemption started with him contemplating if his death would be better for everyone. He finally found a purpose which was to cleanse the world of darkness. However he relapses and Erza has to help him regain himself once again. Afterwards he focus's on a more specific goal in defeating Zeref, the one that was the root of the worlds pain. and while he didn't accomplish that goal, he proved to everyone the changes that he's made and the good he's done for the world, but he has yet to prove it to himself.
Finally we get to 100 YQ stuff and this is where he finally begins to make legitimate progress towards forgiving himself. He once again was about to relapse into his old depressed self in the Gears fight due to forgetting himself because of how Gear's magic works, but this time he was reminded by Ultear of his biggest supporter, that being Erza of course, every lesson he's learned from her came rushing back and he's finally gotten over the last seemingly insurmountable mental struggle. Now he's finally ready to move forward with himself and actually look towards not just a future, but his future, a future where he can finally be happy with who he is again.
He has a decently written story about a depressed man who did horrible things trying to find self atonement and imo his reaction to the situation is fairly realistic. What sane person wouldn't feel absolutely horrible about killing one of their closest friends, and almost killing the person they care about the most, among many other crimes. His redemption started with him contemplating if his death would be better for everyone. He finally found a purpose which was to cleanse the world of darkness. However he relapses and Erza has to help him regain himself once again. Afterwards he focus's on a more specific goal in defeating Zeref, the one that was the root of the worlds pain. and while he didn't accomplish that goal, he proved to everyone the changes that he's made and the good he's done for the world, but he has yet to prove it to himself.
Finally we get to 100 YQ stuff and this is where he finally begins to make legitimate progress towards forgiving himself. He once again was about to relapse into his old depressed self in the Gears fight due to forgetting himself because of how Gear's magic works, but this time he was reminded by Ultear of his biggest supporter, that being Erza of course, every lesson he's learned from her came rushing back and he's finally gotten over the last seemingly insurmountable mental struggle. Now he's finally ready to move forward with himself and actually look towards not just a future, but his future, a future where he can finally be happy with who he is again.
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in my AU I am writing
1. Lisanna stays dead so sorry can't do that ( it the main premise of the story )
2. Natsu and Wendy I am definitely doing. I feel like before meeting Lucy, Wendy was the only person he ever cared about on the same level as he did Lisanna and Happy, maybe even more so considering they go WAY back..... ( like 4 centuries back )
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I love Lisanna, and her and Natsu being friends is cool, doesn't have to be romantic at all
I think my major issue with Jellal is just how he's handled after X791. In the Tartaros Arc, he was heavily set up to be a major player against Zeref moving forward, but sadly in Alvarez, due to time constraints, his character arc was stunted. His fight against Neinhart was ok. But his fight with the Oracion Seis against August was off screened, despite the potential of that fight being amazing if we got to see more of it. Then he straight up abandons the Zeref plot and becomes a part of defeating Acnologia, which is just eh IMO. And in 100YQ, I did like when he became goofy as a member of the White Cult, but overall I want more. Him becoming a FT member can definitely increase my interest in his character however. Overall, I like Jellal, he's just average to me
She should have stayed dead for sure
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1. Hard agree she should've stayed dead, Lisanna dying in this story will be my Natsu's main motivation for getting as strong as possible
2. Glad I am not the only disappointed that the Jellal/Zeref plotline was dropped. The fact they NEVER EVEN MET AND HAD A COVERSATION honestly pissed me off after all the setup Mashima gave
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I'mma come out and say it, I think I find Gray, Gajeel, Sting, and Rogue more compelling than any of the S-class or Jellal and the like.
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Man said Gray
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But fr though speaking of Rogue
I am disappointed Mashima dropped the plotline of Gray having a reason to kill Frosch which caused Future Rogue to go mad
This man fr be dropping so many interesting storylines smh
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But fr though speaking of Rogue
I am disappointed Mashima dropped the plotline of Gray having a reason to kill Frosch which caused Future Rogue to go mad
This man fr be dropping so many interesting storylines smh
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In a weird way, this actually fits Jellal's Arc TBH
Jellal's whole thing was blaming Zeref for his sins and the wrongness in the world, so he vowed to defeat him. But Jellal never actually knew anything about Zeref at all. He was completely wrong about Zeref's actions and never even met him. This is emphasized when August tells Jellal that Zeref himself had a son and Jellal is entirely shocked to hear it. And then he's told that believing darkness is evil, is frankly dumb. In the end, Jellal never meets or fights Zeref because he DID never actually know who he was. Jellal was just picking Zeref to be the enemy of everything he's been through, but in the end he realizes that his opponent was never actually Zeref, but just an imaginary figure that Jellal created up to cope. So he gets up and decides that the most important thing to him is not taking down Zeref, but protecting Erza. Which is exactly what he does when he confronts Acnologia. Natsu is the one who was destined to fight Zeref because not only was he deeply connected to him, but unlike Jellal, he was capable of seeing Zeref for what he actually was... Just a regular person who's been suffering in pain.
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I can understand Gajeel and Gray, but Sting and Rogue?
Laxus, Erza, and Jellal have way better arcs then them imo. Sting had his arc in the GMGs which was good and a mini arc in the Alvarez war so at least he has something, but poor Rogue. He kinda got left behind after the future Rogue stuff and didn't do much in the War arc as well.
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I get what you're trying to get at don't get me wrong
I ain't saying Jellal should've been the one to beat Zeref, hell I ain't even saying they had to fight
Just one conversation between them would have satiated me
Seeing Jellal finally confront what technically ruined his life in the first place but then as u said
What he thought Zeref would be like, was just an image in his head he created and seeing what the black mage was actually like
You can't tell me that wouldn't have not been interesting no?
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I do wish that Lisanna stayed dead, and clearly Mashima wanted to keep it that way because he was going to if not for his editor.
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Question, at what point in time did it become obvious scaling wise that Natsu had surpassed Erza under his own power? Like where there was no doubt he was straight up stronger than her.
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Current Base Natsu stomps Current Base Erza. FDKM Natsu currently is much stronger than CHC High Enchant Erza due to him performing well against someone of similar caliber to Kirin, who got slightly serious and overwhelmed RDLM Laxus, who is slightly stronger than her.
This may change but for now I'm not sure Natsu even needs DF to win.
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I think by X791 it was obvious that Natsu no longer had a reason to be comically afraid of her, especially when he showed that he could use Dragon Force at will. X792 and beyond was the nail in the coffin that he'd surpassed her.
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First battle: Natsu gets KO'ed casually.
Second battle: Natsu takes Suzaku's attacks and then tanks Suzaku's Abyss move that took down human form Selene, despite not knowing about that move.
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Still doesn't mean that he is not above Erza like you think. Because like Natsu said, he trains everyday to get stronger.
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Like I said, it still proves Natsu is actually still above Erza in terms of AP. Doesn't matter if prep or not. He still fought himself with his own power.
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I believe we already covered this on another thread beforehand. I will probably leave this to the guys here to explain it to you.
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