Also since we're on the top of Natsu lines, I want to mention a line from Asta in Black Clover because Asta really reminds me of Natsu in a lot of ways and this sounds like something Natsu could say:
Oh she was definitely inferior, but Jose was still impressed by her performance (and keep in mind she was weakened from the Jupiter attack), and we know her Strongest Armors are far above her base (and her X784 Base is >= Base Natsu) and her strongest armors in 784 did one-shot Aria, who is above Juvia who is = to Base Gray who is = to base Natsu.
At worst, Strongest Armor and Clear Heart Erza could downscale to Baseline 7-B.
Jellal was heavily nerfed from Siegrain's existence, he couldn't even use Heavenly Body Magic
Oh, never mind then.
In the Galuna Island Arc, Base Natsu manages to mid-diff fight and defeat an Ultear who's using a little less than half her power
Dude I love him but the series treated Natsu like a joke 90% of the time until like GMG
I actually like it, Natsu isn't the strongest of the group initially, and yet his raw willpower and determinaton is still what pushes him to be the one to take on the big bads and actually causes those around him to trust in him more than anyone else
Ah yes, the power of spite.I actually like it, Natsu isn't the strongest of the group initially, and yet his raw willpower and determinaton is still what pushes him to be the one to take on the big bads and actually causes those around him to trust in him more than anyone else
Happy even mentions this
Natsu's strength isn't about just magic power, it's about his sheer willpower and spirit, which we see ultimately defeat Zeref in the Final Battle
Yeah but to me they were just platitudes. Erza says during Phantom he might even be stronger than her, and that's just straight up not true. We don't get base Natsu being stronger than base Erza until like the GMG games. I just wish he was taken a bit more seriously.
It's never really implied, the only clear instance of WTF powerups is when he goes from being unable to even scratch Base Mard Geer with LFDM to somehow fighting his Etherious Form in Base
When he's basically front and center in most of the major important fights in x784, I'd say he's taken seriously enough.
I'll be honest Mira's feats in x784 are kinda nonexistent tbh. A rage amped Mira defeats freed, loses to Elfman and evergreen via a gag scene, and loses to Azuma and that's about it. Base Natsu stopping a semi serious attack from Zero is better than anything Mira has down in x784, so personally, I'd put Natsu above Mira if Natsu fought her with the same mindset he's does with the final arc villains
That's kind of the point tho, Natsu will fight literally anyone if it meant he could protect his friends. Like Mitch said his resolve is his greatest asset that allows him to stand against people he shouldn't have any chance against.
tbf, Natsu was trained for like maybe a few years as a kid by Igneel, plus Igneel also wasn't the greatest teacher. Just being strong doesn't automatically mean you can share your knowledge and power well, this ain't dragon ball after all.
I think that's my issue, I watched Fairy Tail right after Dragon Ball, so I came in expecting different shit.
For matching Flames of Emotion Natsu who was constantly implied to be equal to or stronger than Erza
I can agree
Tbf, two of those things aren't really things that can actively benefit him. They made a point how Igneel probably wasn't the best teacher, which is fair, but still, learning magic from him has to count for something.
Fair
We've already mentioned that Natsu probably doesn't care about recognition or respect. He's obviously past using other people as his measuring stick, rightfully so because he's never really had any great role models. Mfer got infected with the Goku syndrome.
True
Chapter 15 came out a few months back and I missed, just now read it, have you?
They don't "look down on him" that was just Laxus who was an asshat pre tenrou arc.
I think he meant the constant jabs at his intelligence and his simplistic way of looking at things. Gildarts is fine I guess, Mira's only saying that because Erza is one team Natsu, and Erza is a bit tricky, because saying 'Im proud of you' doesn't quite make up for the hitting and berating.
^yeah pretty much this
