Erza Scarlet vs Cinder Fall

[Omahariptic]

"Just how good is her spam" isn't really saying much. Complaining that this match is spite just because the busty redhead isn't winning isn't saying much either.

 

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Restricting Erza's hax is basically saying "I want her to lose" and is nothing more but spite.

And you can't even say it's a stomp if you don't restrict them since Cinder is winning here.

Also, saying Cinder countering Erza's spam now that she can throws hundreds of swords at once without problems looks iffy. Just how good is her spam?

Dude i actually said that even if you let Erza use her hax she wouldn't stomp cinder, not that cinder stomps Erza.

That is absurd and i will show ya why with my next post.

 

[Omahariptic]

Boy oh boy I can't wait.

 

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1. Versitalty:

It appears that in amount they are more or less the same, but Erza has quality adavantage here. Why? Well, for diffrence of Cinder who doesn't resist Erza's attacks, Erza actually resists her fire and Elctricty through flame and lighting empress armor.

She counters her Fire and lava with Fire resistance and 2 types of water attacks that will turn Cinder's attacks almost worthless.

Electricity is not doing a thing to lightning empress armor (that tanks Laxus's attacks with no damage) while Erza's attacks will do actual damage.

The only thing Cinder has Erza never saw before is glass attacks, but they can be easily countered by any of Erza's magical attacks.

For her Ice manipulation, Erza has dealt with Gray so NP.(and still fire attacks as well).

2. Attack spam.

More or less the same (with advantage for Cinder)Cinder can spam many attacks, but Erza has hundreds of swords to spam as well which now don't even take much effort on her.

Erza's advantages:

Wingbalde cuts without making contact and in Erza's hand she doesn't even have to move for the sword to cut, which means Erza can go for Cinder's neck without any trouble as Cinder can't block that attack nor predict it as she lacks precognition. This armor has 8 blades that cut without contact and that on command "dance" create a barrier Around Erza protecting from attacks.

Most important thing Stamina:

The longer the battle last the better for Erza due to her Stamina being absurdly high and Cinder won't keep up if she is costrected to spam attacks to even do actual damage as her fire/lava (most important attacks) are easily counter by Fire resistance and water attacks.

@Aizen(apparently his argument made some people change votes...)

Erza having a wrong armor doesn't mean she gets one shotted or such it just means she won't actually resist the attacks, but get normal damage.

That said Erza can take so many of Cinder's attacks without falling down that it will take quite a lot more than one or two attacks for Cinder to win. The amount of attack Erza can tank from Cinder are much higher than those Cinder can from Erza and in case of Wingbalde even a single attack can be enough.

The AP advanatge for Cinder is non existent since Erza scales from people who casually stomp baseline Mountain lvl persons.

 

[Theglassman12]

You do know that her resistance to elements are limited to one armor at a time, so Cinder can just use a different element every time she requips to break her armors.

 

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Erza's requip tho is more than fast enough to keep up in particular since Cinder is rather costrected to keep range. And longer the range, more time for Erza to requip.

That said she can also combine weapons with her Armors so even when using let's say lightning empress armor she can still use water attacks to counter Cinder's fire/lava.

 

[Theglassman12]

Ok, and cinder can be able to reform her weapons even if they shatter, like she did in the last episode of season 3, and still pelt at Erza. And how is her being farther away going to help Erza when her armor is going to wear out, and her stamina will drain over time?

 

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Erza's Stamina>>>>>Cinder's stamina. And Cinder will waste her stamina attacking and spamming attacks even faster. And as said close range is a death sentence for Cinder and she will get there sooner or later or by herself or forced by Erza.

Also, Erza's armors don't take away her Stamina(simply keeping them on her) in the first place and when Erza's armors were broken they were "always" broken by someone significantly more powerful than said armor.

 

[Theglassman12]

Your teling me that fighting off multiple projectiles all at once WON'T wear her down, as well as her armor? Cause there's numerous times where people at Erza's level were able to shatter her armor.

 

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Fighting off? You know Erza can throw hundreds of weapon at Cinder as well and telekinetic just control her swords and easily block said attacks.

Wingbalde even creates a barrier around her with her swords that simply cut through anything that comes close to her.

And yes blocking attacks will wear her down obviously(what i said is that keeping her armor on her doesn't wear her off), but i would say Cinder will be worn out from spamming attacks just as much (if not more) and since Erza's stamina is much better, she gets the win from that point of view. On the other side in close combat she wins even easier.

 

[Theglassman12]

And her summoning numerous weapons was wearing her down, or draining her magic. Either way using numerous swords at once will be bad news for her in terms of lasting the fight. Also Cinder can create a forcefield to block the attacks.

 

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Using numerous swords for her, spamming numerous attacks for Cinder. They both are getting worn out, but Erza has much greater Stamina so Erza wins in the "lasting in fight". Not sure why is that hard to understand.

Those force fields will of course help in range, but in close combat which will happen, the force field are just worthless cause Wingbalde, which as well creates a blade barrier around Erza.

Just as i said before Versitalty wise same (But Erza has quality). Spam more or less the same(Cinder has quality as she can spam other than just fire/lava attacks, while Erza concentrates on swords).

Stamina, Erza is much above, they are both gettin worn out from spamming and blocking attacks from each other, but having much greater Stamina gives Erza the win.

Close combat, Erza wins with Wingblade armor much easier.

 

[Morlock435]

Also not all of Cinder's ranged attacks have a long travel time, she can conjure some from beneath her opponents.

 

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Also not all of Cinder's ranged attacks have a long travel time, she can conjure some from beneath her opponents.

Erza can summon her swords from above of her opponents in a point blank, so again the same deal...

 

[Morlock435]

Well a lot of Cinder's projectiles aren't really blockable by a sword, you would need a shield or a force field to block giant pillars of lava

 

[Morlock435]

Plus cinders arrows can reform past what Erza blocks with and catch her by suprise

 

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Well a lot of Cinder's projectiles aren't really blockable by a sword, you would need a shield or a force field to block giant pillars of lava

There are things like water attacks(elemental attacks to cut it short) and Erza has a fire armor that gives her resistance if necessary.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

There are things like water attacks(elemental attacks to cut it short) and Erza has a fire armor that gives her resistance if necessary.

to glass?

 

[Morlock435]

Yes but she won't always have that armor on, and the lava pillars are one of the attacks Cinder can conjure underneath her opponent, so she won't have time to switch armor. Also if Erza gets hit by one of Cinder's arrows it will start burning her from the inside. And it's likely she will get hit by an arrow since they can go around attempts to block them.

 

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to glass?

No resistance to fire... Glass can be countered with magic and elemental attacks.

I wonder can you have resistance on glass.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No resistance to fire... Glass can be countered with magic and elemental attacks.

I wonder can you have resistance on glass.

but she can recompose those too.


yes, its called being non-corporeal

 

[Theglassman12]

@Blanked where was it shown that the wingblade armor can cut through forcefields? All it does is strike without swinging.

 

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Yes but she won't always have that armor on, and the lava pillars are one of the attacks Cinder can conjure underneath her opponent, so she won't have time to switch armor. Also if Erza gets hit by one of Cinder's arrows it will start burning her from the inside. And it's likely she will get hit by an arrow since they can go around attempts to block them.

Cinder Create lava under Erza and Erza Creats swords above Cinder's head... You see same thing and Erza can switch her armor in a instant or while she is within the pillar. The arrow doesn't ignore durabilty so who cares about the "burning " also that means telekinies, but Erza has telekinies on her swords to stop the arrows or she can just cut them as she is master swordswomen that can wield 4 in total swords even using her feet for it.

 

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@Blanked where was it shown that the wingblade armor can cut through forcefields? All it does is strike without swinging.

It strikes without making contact, so there is no reason for a force field to block something that's not even going to come in contact with the said force field.

We had an entire thread about it.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

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she hits the glass, they break, they recompose and hit her, ont the other hand , forcefield stops her swords

 

[Theglassman12]

Just because it hits without swinging doesn't mean it can go by forcefields.

 

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but she can recompose those too.

yes, its called being non-corporeal

Yes, she can recompose them so what? Nothing really changes.

Aldo, that's not resistance that just being non-corporeal.

 

[Morlock435]

It doesn't ignore durability but it still burns the inside of your body, that's gonna hurt her badly. And the arrows would just reform she can't stop them with the sword, basically I see this happening. Cinder fires her arrow, Erza destroys it with her sword thinking that attack was neutralized, it then proceeds to reform and strike her doing large damage. She wouldn't have a way too know it would reform after it was destroyed. Huge surprise factor

 

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Just because it hits without swinging doesn't mean it can go by forcefields.

As said there was a thread about it and it was accepted that way.

Also, it's not without swinging that matters but without making contact (that is the important part) without swinging is just an extra.

 

[Morlock435]

She would have to dodge the arrows not block them, but she wouldn't dodge the arrows if she thinks she can just block them, until after the first shots. But it's likely she would get hit by the first shots.

 

[Theglassman12]

That sounds pretty NLF if you ask me.

 

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she hits the glass, they break, they recompose and hit her, ont the other hand , forcefield stops her swords

That assuming she is using the force fields, that she actually saw the swords above or behind her and that Erza can't just block them or dodge them again. Also, the glass hits her and so what it doesn't kill her. She even has an armor on her.

 

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She would have to dodge the arrows not block them, but she wouldn't dodge the arrows if she thinks she can just block them, until after the first shots. But it's likely she would get hit by the first shots.

You assume that she won't block or destroy them and i don't see why she can't. Plus she still has an armor on her.

 

[Morlock435]

@blanked you're acting like getting hit one of Cinder's arrows isn't a big deal. Erza can tough her way through a lot of pain, but having your insides burning would be excruciating. It's gonna severely affect her.

 

[Morlock435]

She can't block the arrows like we said, she has to dodge them, and the surprise factor of the arrows reforming after she blocked them will likely lead to her being hit the first time Cinder uses it.

 

[Theglassman12]

Cinder: 8

Erza: 1

 

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@blanked you're acting like getting hit one of Cinder's arrows isn't a big deal. Erza can tough her way through a lot of pain, but having your insides burning would be excruciating. It's gonna severely affect her.

Erza was tortured to the point her breathing cause her immens pain. To the point where a simple touch on her stomach feel so like her stomach was blown away and she tanked actual hits not touches so she can tough out way more pain than you think.

Also, the burning of insides is still weird to me as that sounds like durabilty negation, but apparently it's not.

 

[Morlock435]

Well I don't know if it would or wouldn't be, but either way it would severely affect her ability to fight.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Also, the burning of insides is still weird to me as that sounds like durabilty negation, but apparently it's not.

whit enough tanking power alone you can resist heat

 

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Well I don't know if it would or wouldn't be, but either way it would severely affect her ability to fight.

If she was able to fight agaisnt Kyoka with breathing that caused more pain than... i highly doubt. Also, again she can just destroy the arrows with any magical/elemental attacks and block the with swords and dodge them as well so that is hardly even a problem.