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Gentle Criminal (MHA) vs Cinder Fall (RWBY)

TheRustyOne

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Alright, a match up you probably weren't expecting.

This is Post-Beacon Cinder (Maiden Powers) vs Final War Arc Gentle (Lover Mode)

Lover Mode Gentle: 6.96 Megatons, 1.68344115e8 Metric Tons

Cinder: 2.68 Megatons, 4.5053554e7 Metric Tons

Speed is Equalized.

Starting Distance is 5 meters.

Who wins?

Gentle Criminal: Kingofwolves999, EnderLord8, Maverick_Zero_X, SuperStar, Eseseso, Mapl3Sy4up, TheRustyOne, (7)

Fall Maiden: (0)

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Should note Cinder loves to range spam. Like a lot, she only doesn't really range spam against flying opponents mainly because they can actually get up close to her for CQC
 
He has attack reflection with his air shields.

Ranged attacks get sent back like with Izuku's Air Force.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Gravity Glyphs doesn't equal air that was turned elastic. Not even close.
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Cinder would still focus on range spam and using other element attacks and even shooting obsidian shards at the ground and blowing them up to harm gentle

Like bro would be forced to reflect a lot of attacks of multiple different elements
 
Spinoirr said:
Cinder would still focus on range spam and using other element attacks and even shooting obsidian shards at the ground and blowing them up to harm gentle

Like bro would be forced to reflect a lot of attacks of multiple different elements
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Any attack reflected means Cinder has to stop to either counter it, block it, or dodge it.

Gentle can use that time to move, like this. He can bounce around and reflect attacks at the same time like he did against Izuku.

His movements so hard to track that even Izuku had a hard time with following his path.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Any attack reflected means Cinder has to stop to either counter it, block it, or dodge it.

Gentle can use that time to move, like this. He can bounce around and reflect attacks at the same time like he did against Izuku.

His movements so hard to track that even Izuku had a hard time with following his path.
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Cinder would just make a AOE of fire or attack in CQC with her weapons
 
Spinoirr said:
Cinder would just make a AOE of fire or attack in CQC with her weapons
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Rushing up to him would only get her bounced back by his Gently Rebounded, she can't see the elastic air.

Or get hit by his Gently Sandwich. Making the ground elastic to trip her up, she might even fly into one of his air barriers by accident due to not being able to see them.

And the range of elasticity Gentle can make is hundreds of meters in size, more than enough to protect him from any AOE attack she has. It isn't just the air either, anything in the environment he can touch can be made elastic and used against her.

Though he doesn't need a shield that big, only needs one big enough to cover himself.
 
Cinder’s only ways to beat him are CQC as any magic attacks she uses get bounced right back at her. But CQC against Gentle is basically pointless since he’s going to be bouncing around through the air and off objects at completely random points to avoid getting touched.

All he really has to do is trip Cinder up with his mobility and tag her with attacks, or slam her to the ground with a Gently Sandwich. She can escape that the same way Deku did by just breaking the ground but that doesn’t really solve the main issue of the invisible Air Barriers and Gentle turning back all her attacks.

So honestly if Gentle just dodges around and focuses on deflecting he could win. On the other hand, Lover Mode doesn’t last forever (though this amped version likely lasts much longer than the ~15 minute version in his first key), so if Cinder withstands or evades him long enough she can outlast him. Though considering Gentle is WELL aware of this weakness and is far more willing to brawl than before, he could just use his mobility and turning the environment to rubber to restrain and beat Cinder before then.
 
Just re-read Gentle’s entrance and he can actually trap Cinder between the layers of rubber air with a Gently Sandwich. So he can realistically “sandwich” her between the air membranes and just beat her up.
 
Not really unfair. Cinder has much better CQC feats and has far more varied options.

She should be able to freeze his air membranes, which could help her escape from him restraining her with objects. And she has other elements than fire on top of her Aura protecting her.

However she really doesn’t have anything that can hurt Gentle in return, nor anything that deals with his mobility and confusing movement patterns. Any attacks she sends can get bounced back or dodged, and with the AP gap, Gentl can chip her aura down with any flyby hits he lands by a ton. Cinder hasn’t really fought anyone that fights even remotely like Gentle, and with his mega-buffed time limit, I doubt she can withstand upwards of 20-30 minutes of him wrapping her up, bouncing back her attacks, chopping her stomach and neck while she can’t track his movements, etc.

It’s quite literally a skill issue on this one. She has the tools to beat him but he simply can’t be touched by her.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Not really unfair. Cinder has much better CQC feats and has far more varied options.

She should be able to freeze his air membranes, which could help her escape from him restraining her with objects. And she has other elements than fire on top of her Aura protecting her.

However she really doesn’t have anything that can hurt Gentle in return, nor anything that deals with his mobility and confusing movement patterns. Any attacks she sends can get bounced back or dodged, and with the AP gap, Gentl can chip her aura down with any flyby hits he lands by a ton. Cinder hasn’t really fought anyone that fights even remotely like Gentle, and with his mega-buffed time limit, I doubt she can withstand upwards of 20-30 minutes of him wrapping her up, bouncing back her attacks, chopping her stomach and neck while she can’t track his movements, etc.

It’s quite literally a skill issue on this one. She has the tools to beat him but he simply can’t be touched by her.
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This makes it sound unfair, in my honest opinion.

Having better combat feats and varied options don't negate what you said about her not really having anything to hurt him and you go on to state she doesn't have anything to deal with his mobility and confusing movement, her attacks get sent back and so on. Then the nail in the coffin is this line "She has the tools to beat him but he simply can’t be touched by her." If she can't realistically get a hit him, then she can't utilize these "tools" to beat him. You said it's not unfair but you basically explained why she can't do anything realistically.

It would be better if you explained what method she could use to bypass GC's abilities and feasibly take him down without what you said about his abilities making said method completely ineffective.
 
Gentle has 2.6x her AP, 3.74x her LS, and can control the battlefield to immobilize her.

Seems lopsided to me.
 
I didn't really think this would be a stomp.

Cinder can break free from any of his holds. Any elastic air he makes can be frozen to stop them from being elastic. She uses blade weapons to make up for her AP disadvantage. Slicing damage is worse than blunt force and she has her Aura to make up for her lower durability.

Gentle lacks heat resistance as well so physically restraining her is impossible, since she can burn him. He can't use the environment to restrain her either since she can melt it. There isn't anything in Central Park that can withstand Cinder's flames.

She can also call down bolts of lightning if she wants to as well. Which isn't good for someone who lacks electricity resistance. She can injure him, he can't tank any of her attacks without damage, and it'll take him more hits to put her down than she'll need to put him down.

I assumed that would've been enough for her to push him, do you disagree still?
 
TheRustyOne said:
I didn't really think this would be a stomp.

Cinder can break free from any of his holds. Any elastic air he makes can be frozen to stop them from being elastic. She uses blade weapons to make up for her AP disadvantage. Slicing damage is worse than blunt force and she has her Aura to make up for her lower durability.

Gentle lacks heat resistance as well so physically restraining her is impossible, since she can burn him. He can't use the environment to restrain her either since she can melt it. There isn't anything in Central Park that can withstand Cinder's flames.

She can also call down bolts of lightning if she wants to as well. Which isn't good for someone who lacks electricity resistance. She can injure him, he can't tank any of her attacks without damage. and it'll take him more hits to put her down than she'll need to put him down.

I assumed that would've been enough for her to push him, do you disagree still?
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Ok, that's fair, although I still think Gentle Criminal wins the majority of times due to simply overpowering and using the environment around him to throw her off her game.
 
TheRustyOne said:
I didn't really think this would be a stomp.

Cinder can break free from any of his holds. Any elastic air he makes can be frozen to stop them from being elastic. She uses blade weapons to make up for her AP disadvantage. Slicing damage is worse than blunt force and she has her Aura to make up for her lower durability.

Gentle lacks heat resistance as well so physically restraining her is impossible, since she can burn him. He can't use the environment to restrain her either since she can melt it. There isn't anything in Central Park that can withstand Cinder's flames.

She can also call down bolts of lightning if she wants to as well. Which isn't good for someone who lacks electricity resistance. She can injure him, he can't tank any of her attacks without damage. and it'll take him more hits to put her down than she'll need to put him down.

I assumed that would've been enough for her to push him, do you disagree still?
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I can agree with this. I was just explaining how King's explination made it sound unfair despite that not being the intention.
 
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