Equal Stats Tournament 2022: Messenger Nia vs Super Monkey

[FRIMI]

I should note that none of them need to move any part of their body to attack, except maybe the planes since we obviously don't see the inside of the planes as they're deploying bombs and darts

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Maybe it gets an electricity shot in before its frozen but I don't see it not getting hit by ice

They still have to get passed all the smaller ones. The giant Mugann can still begin their attack

 

[FRIMI]

They still have to get passed all the smaller ones

why?

The giant Mugann can still begin their attack

does it need to charge its attack? in that case 100% it gets iced & glued before it can use electricity

 

[BluudyManikin777]

why?

Because as we've seen in the abilities compilation, the smaller Mugann are literally in front of the larger ones. They're in the frontlines

does it need to charge its attack? in that case 100% it gets iced & glued before it can use electricity

No, it doesn't. It all they need to do is surround their opponents with their own body and begin. They can deconstruct into pieces and reform, then begin the attack, while they handle the smaller Mugann in front of them

 

[FRIMI]

Because as we've seen in the abilities compilation, the smaller Mugann are literally in front of the larger ones

1: remember selective intangibility? Unless the Mugann have NPI and it would be in character for them to intentionally body block attacks that would normally miss, it's hitting the giant Mugann.
2: Almost all of VTSG's (and it's summons') attacks can pierce through multiple enemies as a main feature with the exclusion of explosion based attacks which are aoe instead

No, it doesn't. It all they need to do is surround their opponents with their own body and begin. They can deconstruct into pieces and reform, then begin the attack, while they handle the smaller Mugann in front of them

Again with the "begin the attack." That really makes it sound like it needs to charge or at least that the attack doesn't fire instantaneously. Also if it needs to fully engulf VTSG to use the electricity attack, then good luck getting past the knockback forcefield AND knockback plasma beams

 

[FRIMI]

I'm gonna need to go for like 30 minutes - 1 hour pretty soon

 

[BluudyManikin777]

remember selective intangibility?

Yes. Do they use it against enemies?

Also if it needs to fully engulf VTSG to use the electricity attack, then good luck getting past the knockback forcefield AND knockback plasma beams

Depends on how large the knockback forcefield is. If it's not anywhere near 5 kilometers, it's not doing anything; the Giant Mugann's size bypasses that. The Giant Mugann don't do the Electricity Manip by approaching the enemy in it's original form, it deconstructs into multiple parts, and builds around the enemy

 

[FRIMI]

Yes. Do they use it against enemies?

Sometimes, it depends on the tower. It would be a bit OoC for VTSG to, but the piercing shot is still a big factor. Every single instance of every single attack can pierce through tons of enemies

Depends on how large the knockback forcefield is. If it's not anywhere near 5 kilometers, it's not doing anything; the Giant Mugann's size bypasses that. The Giant Mugann don't do the Electricity Manip by approaching the enemy in it's original form, it deconstructs into multiple parts, and builds around the enemy

The forcefield isn't that big, but it does still need to deal with the knockback from the main attack as well

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Sometimes, it depends on the tower. It would be a bit OoC for VTSG to, but the piercing shot is still a big factor. Every single instance of every single attack can pierce through tons of enemies

Do they use it in the manner that is being proposed?

The forcefield isn't that big, but it does still need to deal with the knockback from the main attack as well

So if it isn't large enough, the Giant Mugann can still continue with their attack

 

[Lou_change]

Do they use it in the manner that is being proposed?

The intangibility no it's basically just to prevent hitting allies.

So if it isn't large enough, the Giant Mugann can still continue with their attack

But so will the monkeys and they use hundreds of projectiles with that power constantly.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

But so will the monkeys and they use hundreds of projectiles with that power constantly.

I thought they couldn't resist Electricity Manipulation

 

[FRIMI]

Do they use it in the manner that is being proposed?

The intangibility, no. But the piercing shots, yes absolutely. One way or another the Giant Mugann is getting hit by VTSG's attacks. Even if it's not getting frozen, it still 100% has to deal with knockback

I thought they couldn't resist Electricity Manipulation

I think what Lou was trying to say is that VTSG and all of its summons will also be attacking this whole time so its not like they're all just sitting there waiting to be attacked. And once again, it's completely in character for VTSG to attack the strongest enemy first

 

[FRIMI]

btw would Nia typically abandon the fight right away or would she stick around trying to fight for a bit first?

 

[BluudyManikin777]

And once again, it's completely in character for VTSG to attack the strongest enemy first

The Mugann aren't gonna just stand there, they're all going to attack as well. They aren't going to get to the Giant Mugann so easily

btw would Nia typically abandon the fight right away or would she stick around trying to fight for a bit first?

Abandon

 

[FRIMI]

The Mugann aren't gonna just stand there, they're all going to attack as well. They aren't going to get to the Giant Mugann so easily

any attack aimed toward the Giant Mugann is going to hit the Giant Mugann AS WELL AS all the Mugann trying to body block it. That's what I mean when I say piercing shots

 

[BluudyManikin777]

any attack aimed toward the Giant Mugann is going to hit the Giant Mugann AS WELL AS all the Mugann trying to body block it. That's what I mean when I say piercing shots

Can they bypass the force fields?

 

[FRIMI]

the ice shots and the glue shots can, but also I still feel like the forcefields are gonna get very quickly overwhelmed energy-wise. A constant stream of multi-attacks more potent than the core of the sun is a lot of energy

 

[BluudyManikin777]

the ice shots and the glue shots can

So the piercing shots can’t?

but also I still feel like the forcefields are gonna get very quickly overwhelmed energy-wise. A constant stream of multi-attacks more potent than the core of the sun is a lot of energy

So how much energy does it yield?

 

[Lou_change]

So the piercing shots can’t?

So how much energy does it yield?

I almost forgot the was a stats equalized tournament but

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We need to know what stats are equalized if forcefields aren't affected(all the more reason they should)

 

[BluudyManikin777]

forcefields aren't affected(all the more reason they should)

I’ve seen instances where forcefields aren’t used to protect the user. Forcefields are just not durability. They literally exist to prevent the user, or others, from getting hurt

 

[Lou_change]

It's not like they will be one shot.

 

[FRIMI]

They literally exist to prevent the user, or others, from getting hurt

you just described durability

 

[BluudyManikin777]

you just described durability

Durability doesn't prevent the user from getting hurt, it's literally just how much your physical body is capable of handling, as opposed to forcefields which make it so that you shouldn't have to worry about your body

 

[FRIMI]

So the piercing shots can’t?

I believe that the glue shots have pierce. Glue wont stop it in its place like the ice shots, but they would slow the movement of everything it hits a a good amount

So how much energy does it yield?

I know there was a calc done on how much energy sun god outputs for an AP calc, I'll try to find it

 

[BluudyManikin777]

It's not like they will be one shot.

Doesn't matter, durability and forcefields are entirely different as I've explained. One is about what your body can handle, and one protects so you shouldn't have to worry about that

 

[Lou_change]

Doesn't matter, durability and forcefields are entirely different as I've explained. One is about what your body can handle, and one protects so you shouldn't have to worry about that

It would still help.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

It would still help.

Maybe for the side you're defending yeah. The OP already stated that they're not equalized. Rules can't just be changed so suddenly in the middle of a debate

 

[FRIMI]

So how much energy does it yield?

ok got it. For the VTSG >> TSG >> Temple = 6.853e22 Watts by this calc

 

[FRIMI]

btw, that's 6.853e22 Watts per shot, it shoots at least 15 of those per second. (I say at least cuz I know that base super monkeys shoot 15 per second, but I don't know what upgraded super monkeys exact fire rates are, just that its more)

 

[FRIMI]

how much energy can each tier of Mugann take?

 

[Lou_change]

Maybe for the side you're defending yeah. The OP already stated that they're not equalized. Rules can't just be changed so suddenly in the middle of a debate

It would also still help but a lesser degree I mean we don't have a new ap for stats after equalization it goes against the spirit of the tournament but then again reactive power level is allowed.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

that would still be equalized too tho, so how much energy it yields doesn't matter if they're not powerful enough for Mugann

 

[BluudyManikin777]

we don't have a new ap for stats after equalization

It would be logical to say that the stronger character gets their AP decreased to the weaker character's AP, just like how the speed of the faster character is decreased to the slower character's speed in the Speed Equalization rule

 

[FRIMI]

that would still be equalized too tho, so how much energy it yields doesn't matter if they're not powerful enough for Mugann

what do you mean? You literally just asked the energy yield to see if it would overload the Mugann's forcefield

 

[Lou_change]

Not what was agreed upon on the main thread as I recall.

 

[FRIMI]

@Lou_change as much I agree that its a weird choice, forcefields aren't equalized and that's kinda just the final decision

 

[Lou_change]

No the ap thing

 

[FRIMI]

No the ap thing

oh yeah that, yeah that's nonsense

 

[FRIMI]

It would be logical to say that the stronger character gets their AP decreased to the weaker character's AP, just like how the speed of the faster character is decreased to the slower character's speed in the Speed Equalization rule

what was it you were saying about changing the rules mid-match?

 

[BluudyManikin777]

I'm not changing the rules, I'm assuming that that's how it would work since that's how speed equalization works. Stop misinterpreting my shit, cuz how do you even get that out of the comment?