Equal Stats Tournament 2022: Messenger Nia vs Super Monkey

[FRIMI]

It comes from the argument that Simon merged with infinite possible versions of himself which would give him all of their knowledge and experience and would therefore increase at least all his already existing skills immensely. Antispiral fought on par with him, Nia as his messenger has that knowledge and has shown that she can successfully apply it. Although, that's not the main topic of this match rn

immensely? sure. infinitely? absolutely not

 

[Lou_change]

In the prison, Nia easily defeated Viral in a fist fight. Viral is a trained soldier of Lordgenome's Army, and was even an elite solder, having his own custom Gunmen, which are given to top-notch soldiers. Viral was even capable of fighting equally with Simon, who was stated to become quite proficient in martial arts within 3 years. So ofc she doesn't just have the knowledge, she's also capable of successfully applying it

That just means she is skilled not infinity skilled.

 

[DemonicDude]

That just means she is skilled not infinity skilled.

Yeah, It's also more of in the lines of copying techniques and utilizing them instead of skill-stacking "is that even a thing"

 

[FRIMI]

Infinite skill sounds wank as hell if there are no feats to back it up. What are the arguments here?

argument for Nia right now seems to teleport to another universe while her summon(s) fight for her. Argument for VTSG is to overwhelm Nia (and her summons) with danmaku plasma attacks and VTSG's own summons. VTSG fights Nia's summons by pitting its own summons against them while dealing status effects from the back lines and buffing its allies at the same time. Nia can't self BFR for too long, else she loses the match. Whenever she teleports back to VTSG she immediately gets flung out of melee range by a knockback forcefield

 

[BluudyManikin777]

This feels like the failed attempt to upgrade the god tiers to infinite speed all over again

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

argument for Nia right now seems to teleport to another universe while her summon(s) fight for her. Argument for VTSG is to overwhelm Nia (and her summons) with danmaku plasma attacks and VTSG's own summons. VTSG fights Nia's summons by pitting its own summons against them while dealing status effects from the back lines and buffing its allies at the same time. Nia can't self BFR for too long, else she loses the match. Whenever she teleports back to VTSG she immediately gets flung out of melee range by a knockback forcefield

Are her summons as strong as her? If not then they get destroyed by the temple.

 

[FRIMI]

according to the tourney rules, summons also get stat equalized, which gives an edge to VTSG because it can stat amp its allies' speed, range, and AP passively

 

[BluudyManikin777]

it can stat amp its allies' speed, range, and AP passively

Can they handle electricity manipulation?

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Hold on, what can they do against the giant Mugann's High-Mid regeneration?

 

[FRIMI]

well that is a thing you did not let me know about sooner

 

[FRIMI]

I thought they just shatter into hundreds of explosions after they get hit with enough energy

 

[BluudyManikin777]

I thought they just shatter into hundreds of explosions after they get hit with enough energy

It's shown in the Mugann ability compilation I sent earlier, like the last video

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Actually, I already did tell you

These larger Mugann are capable of reforming, even when blown up into many pieces

 

[FRIMI]

Actually, I already did tell you

my bad

 

[FRIMI]

Well technically all monkeys in the bloons verse have to deal with Mid-High regen pretty casually, but that's mainly because regrowing bloons regenerate from the bloon that they spawn on death so once the lowest tier bloon they can regrow from is popped, they can't regen from it anymore, in other words its usually just a matter of out-dps-ing the regeneration. Would being frozen with ice manipulation be an incapacitated state for them?

 

[FRIMI]

The plasma of the tier 2 base super monkey is directly stated to vaporize everything it touches, in reference to bloons. VTSG main attack >> buffed dark avatar >= TSG main attack >> avatar >> vaporizing tier 2 plasma. (I know AP is equalized, this is more talking about the intensity of the plasma than the actual AP)

actually nevermind, it's probably not gonna be a problem

 

[FRIMI]

also "VTSG main attack >> buffed avatar" is no longer accurate since I didn't know at the time that summons had their stats equalized. It should instead say "buffed avatar > VTSG main attack." other than that, the stuff there isn't a problem

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Would being frozen with ice manipulation be an incapacitated state for them?

That's if they can bypass the forcefield

 

[Lou_change]

I assume the shear number of heat based attacks the monkey will be shooting at them should get around it.

 

[DemonicDude]

Popted2 what's your thoughts on this greatness we are witnessing.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Well technically all monkeys in the bloons verse have to deal with Mid-High regen pretty casually, but that's mainly because regrowing bloons regenerate from the bloon that they spawn on death so once the lowest tier bloon they can regrow from is popped, they can't regen from it anymore, in other words its usually just a matter of out-dps-ing the regeneration. Would being frozen with ice manipulation be an incapacitated state for them?

That would require AP to do which is equalized, but freezing it is valid. Heat works too if it's spammed, but it depends on the temperature and if the opponent resists.

 

[FRIMI]

I assume the shear number of heat based attacks the monkey will be shooting at them should get around it.

that's what I was getting at when I was saying that the attacks literally channeling the core of the sun would probably be fueled with enough energy

 

[FRIMI]

That would require AP to do which is equalized, but freezing it is valid. Heat works too if it's spammed, but it depends on the temperature and if the opponent resists.

see my comment directly under that one

 

[BluudyManikin777]

I assume the shear number of heat based attacks the monkey will be shooting at them should get around it.

Idk about that, the normal Mugann are Low 6-B (ik stats are equalized, but the forcefields aren't so they're at this level), and the Giant Mugann are Low 5-B

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

that's what I was getting at when I was saying that the attacks literally channeling the core of the sun would probably be fueled with enough energy

That would be heat then, not AP. it's as hot as the sun? That should do if nia has no resistance.

 

[FRIMI]

That's if they can bypass the forcefield

I cannot believe that the Bloons Super Monkey games are actually about to matter in a debate holy shit. To my knowledge Bloons Super Monkey is the only game in the btd canon where the bloons utilize force fields and in that game ice magic passes through the bloons' forcefields. Technically the Super Monkey in BSM is not the same Super Monkey as this one, but they should be using comparable ice powers since they both stem from the Ice Monkey as opposed to some inherent trait of either Super Monkey

 

[FRIMI]

As one of the few bloons players that actually played bloons super monkey 2, my expertise is finally recognized

 

[DemonicDude]

This might be the best tournament

 

[BluudyManikin777]

That would be heat then, not AP. it's as hot as the sun? That should do if nia has no resistance.

She's not getting in the fight until all the Mugann can't fight, she's somewhere else

Also, can they resist Electricity Manipulation or not?

 

[FRIMI]

no

 

[BluudyManikin777]

no

So what's stopping the Giant Mugann from just electrocuting everyone all at once. Their sheer size should allow them to do just that

 

[Lou_change]

Idk about that, the normal Mugann are Low 6-B (ik stats are equalized, but the forcefields aren't so they're at this level), and the Giant Mugann are Low 5-B

Where was this agreed the forcefields are excluded

 

[FRIMI]

is there any reason why the electricity would one shot?

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Forcefields are not equalized those are not durability.

 

[FRIMI]

Where was this agreed the forcefields are excluded

DD said that forcefields aren't dura so they're not equalized which I had the same reaction to as you

 

[BluudyManikin777]

is there any reason why the electricity would one shot?

It wouldn't, but what are they gonna do while they get electrocuted? It's just incapacitation ig

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Doesn't rge sun temple use electricity in the first place? It would make sense if it resists it's own powers.

 

[FRIMI]

yes, temple does use electricity, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it resists electricity, especially since all monkeys have the canonical ability to turn off friendly fire

 

[BluudyManikin777]

It would make sense if it resists it's own powers.

Why would someone automatically resist their own powers

 

[FRIMI]

It wouldn't, but what are they gonna do while they get electrocuted? It's just incapacitation ig

I don't see why electricity would fully incapacitate all the avatars, sun god, and planes, or even any of them tbh. Even if it does, it seems like we've got match starts -> both summon -> Nia leaves -> VTSG immediately senses the presence of enemies in range and targets the strongest one (this is one of 4 most in character options) hits it with ice freezing it

Maybe it gets an electricity shot in before its frozen but I don't see it not getting hit by ice