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Dropping the Riordanverse Tier by smiting it with Zeus' Lightning Bolt

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Cryo123 said:
Also, on speed, if all the Hypersonic-MHS+ feats are invalid, the best feat we have is Percy blocking bullets, which is only going to be Subsonic. Then an amped Percy tagged a casual Ares, so gods would be what, Transonic, Subsonic+?
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Ares would not scale to Percy's feat as Percy doesn't scale to Ares. It was clear Ares was toying with him before Percy stabbed him, which made Ares fight seriously, and in that moment Percy would've been dead if it weren't for Kronos stopping Ares

Besides, the Olympians would have at least MHS+ by the wind gods preventing the Titans from teleporting to Olympus. Teleportation there is like very fast traveling, since it can be intercepted in the first place
 
Didn't Jason took a cloud to ground lightning in The Lost Hero?

The Lightnings Zeus' demigods use are no different than the ones he uses, only less powerful
 
Cryo123 said:
Also, on speed, if all the Hypersonic-MHS+ feats are invalid, the best feat we have is Percy blocking bullets, which is only going to be Subsonic. Then an amped Percy tagged a casual Ares, so gods would be what, Transonic, Subsonic+?
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I don't actually think Percy blocking a bullet is the best reaction speed feat in the verse that can be scaled to the gods. I can't think of one off the top of my head, but that's more due to the sheer quantity of quotes I've read in the past couple of months than them not existing. I'll have to check my notes.

Additionally, an amped Percy tagged a blinded and disorientated Ares who up to that point was toying with Percy. We never actually saw Ares fail to react to one of Percy's strikes either when he could see his opponent or when he was serious about the fight. The latter being because Kronos stopped to fight before Ares could do anything after getting injured.

"I released the tide and jumped,
rocketing straight over Ares on a wave.
A two-metre wall of water smashed him full in the face,
leaving him cursing and sputtering with a mouth full of
seaweed. I landed behind him with a splash and feinted
towards his head, as I’d done before. He turned in time to
raise his sword, but this time he was disoriented, he didn’t
anticipate the trick. I changed direction, lunged to the side
and stabbed Riptide straight down into the water, sending
the point through the god’s heel.
The roar that followed made Hades’s earthquake look like
a minor event. The very sea was blasted back from Ares,
leaving a wet circle of sand fifteen metres wide.
Ichor, the golden blood of the gods, flowed from a gash in
the war god’s boot. The expression on his face was beyond
hatred. It was pain, shock, complete disbelief that he’d been
wounded.
He limped towards me, muttering ancient Greek curses.
Something stopped him.
It was as if a cloud covered the sun, but worse. Light
faded. Sound and colour drained away. A cold, heavy
presence passed over the beach, slowing time, dropping the
temperature to freezing and making me feel like life was
hopeless, fighting was useless.
The darkness lifted.
Ares looked stunned.
Police cars were burning behind us. The crowd of
spectators had fled. Annabeth and Grover stood on the
beach, in shock, watching the water flood back around
Ares’s feet, his glowing golden ichor dissipating in the tide.
Ares lowered his sword.
‘You have made an enemy, godling,’ he told me. ‘You have
sealed your fate. Every time you raise your blade in battle,
every time you hope for success, you will feel my curse.
Beware, Perseus Jackson. Beware.’
His body began to glow.
‘Percy!’ Annabeth shouted. ‘Don’t watch!’
I turned away as the god Ares revealed his true immortal
form. I somehow knew that if I looked, I would disintegrate
into ashes.
The light died.
I looked back. Ares was gone."


I think its also important to note that gods can split their essence into separate avatars at a time. These avatars are significantly weaker than their godly forms.

It would be prudent to add a category for the gods who have feats in both forms to allow for more accurate scaling in the future.
 
I was referring to the feat used in this calc.

Simply put, Percy fails to react to lightning every time its fired at him and Jason has never explicitly reacted to lightning.

The feat used to give most of the verse "Massively Hypersonic" speeds never mentions Jason reacting to lightning:

"The second spirit let loose a bolt of lightning, but Jason's blade absorbed the charge."

The fact that Jason was subconsciously using his powers to direct attacks away from himself even with amnesia and that he can control lightning already alone casts enough doubt on the feat as it is, but the fact that Percy couldn't react to lightning from further away when there was a clear wind-up on the attack back in TTC and still couldn't react to it again in his fight with Jason later on (who is evenly matched with Percy in terms of reaction speed) debunks the calc outright.

I should also note the distances mentioned in the calc of 21 meters is also bogus as the 2 Venti attacking Jason charged him at the same time, the first of which he cut with his sword, the second being the one that launched lightning at him, who is then promptly cut down by him without much additional movement mentioned, meaning the distance was closer to 5 meters than 20.

"He looked at his two comrades and yelled, “Well? Kill him!”
The other storm spirits didn’t look happy with that order, but they flew at Jason, their fingers crackling with electricity. Jason swung at the first spirit. His blade passed through it, and the creature’s smoky form disintegrated. The second spirit let loose a bolt of lightning, but Jason’s blade absorbed the charge. Jason stepped in—one quick thrust, and the second storm spirit dissolved into gold powder."
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Ares would not scale to Percy's feat as Percy doesn't scale to Ares. It was clear Ares was toying with him before Percy stabbed him, which made Ares fight seriously, and in that moment Percy would've been dead if it weren't for Kronos stopping Ares

Besides, the Olympians would have at least MHS+ by the wind gods preventing the Titans from teleporting to Olympus. Teleportation there is like very fast traveling, since it can be intercepted in the first place
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I agree with your first point, the latter, however, not so much.

Firstly, we've never been told a time-frame or distance for gods teleporting and while we can surmise that teleporting is really fast from how its described, but we do not know exactly how fast.

Secondly, we do not know what the wind gods would react to in the scenario brought up be Hermes in TLO:

"Besides, Aeolus, the king of the winds, has
sent his most powerful minions to guard the citadel. No one
save the gods can approach Olympus from the air. They
would be knocked out of the sky.’
I raised my hand. ‘Um ... what about that
materializing/teleporting thing you guys do?’
‘That’s a form of air travel, too, Jackson. Very fast, but the
wind gods are faster.'"

As they are gods they are not limited to purely physical senses and it would be foolhardy to assume that they would be using them over their other senses without supporting information.

If they are indeed using their godly senses it may be possible for them to react to gods/titans entering their air-space from hundreds of miles away. Seeing as we currently in this CRT cannot say how the wind god are reacting to teleporting gods/titans and do not have evidence of them using one or the other this feat cannot be used until that has been determined.
 
Your quote literally contradict what you say. The quote say that their teleportation is a form of air travel in this verse, so they do travel the distace rather than being there instantly, meaning it is actually their speed, as they physically do this travel

The Wind Gods are able to intercept these movements and block the Titans from reaching Olympus this way, which is why Kronos needs to travel to New York rather than going straight from San Francisco to there
 
What are the staff conclusions here, and can somebody provide an easy to understand explanation of what is suggested here and why, please?
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Your quote literally contradict what you say. The quote say that their teleportation is a form of air travel in this verse, so they do travel the distace rather than being there instantly, meaning it is actually their speed, as they physically do this travel

The Wind Gods are able to intercept these movements and block the Titans from reaching Olympus this way, which is why Kronos needs to travel to New York rather than going straight from San Francisco to there
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I don't recall ever saying that gods don't cover distance when they teleport or that teleportation in the Riordanverse isn't a form of air-travel.

The one time I brought up distance was here:
Firstly, we've never been told a time-frame or distance for gods teleporting and while we can surmise that teleporting is really fast from how its described, but we do not know exactly how fast.
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My argument here was that because we can't determine the exact speeds travelled by gods when they teleport due to the lack of information we can't classify gods as having MHS+ reactions from this feat. That is, unless the speed can be quantified.
 
Dunno what has been discussed, I'll read the thread slowly later, but I'll try to find the thread that upgraded them to Relativistic+ since I do think there were feats.

"Gods may also get upgraded to Relativistic+ to Sol anyways due to a possible new calc."

Can someone link this?

We have always treated demigods being able to fight major gods as them not using their full power.

I have agreed that the speed of demigods should probably be downgraded in a thread before since Jason reacting to lightning can probably be chalked up to his Zeus demigod nature but that got lost over time. I think someone mentioned a Percy speed feat when fighting Hyperion? That would be helpful.

I'll read the 3 pages of stuff discussed brb
 
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Right so I found the original speed upgrade thread. It seems like the OP was correct that there was no specific feat. Kepekley23 just said that there was an instance of Gods reacting to each other's lightspeed attacks and everyone just sort of agreed with it. Unless someone finds a specific feat or link the "Gods may also get upgraded to Relativistic+ to Sol anyways due to a possible new calc." feat, I guess it would have to go. Probably try reading the Greek God book.
 
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What are the staff conclusions here, and can somebody provide an easy to understand explanation of what is suggested here and why, please?
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The main suggested changes are that:

1. The AP and Durability of the Greek Gods should be downgraded from 4-C to a yet to be determined level as:
A. The 2 4-C constellation feats used to give them this rating are both example of Creation Hax as the gods never show anything close to 4-C in combat, with the strongest attacks in the verse barely reaching 6A.​
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B. The 2 4-C constellation feats are examples of Olympian gods manipulating and creating Greek Mythologically accurate stars, not Scientifically accurate stars. As there is no evidence to suggest that manipulating or creating Greek Mythologically accurate stars takes the same amount of energy as Scientifically accurate stars.​
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2. The speed of the Greek Gods and Demigods should downgraded from MHS+ to a yet to be determined level as:
A. The calc used to give Greek Gods MHS+ speed and reactions took quotes out of context, purposely misconstrued information, made baseless assumptions and were inconsistent with every other showing of the shoes and the gods in canon.​
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B. The calc used to give Demigods MHS+ speed and reactions took a quote out of context and made baseless assumptions that contradicted the paragraph the quote was pulled from. Additionally, the results of the calc were inconsistent with every other reaction feat made by a Demigod, including several anti-feats where a Demigod failed to perform the same feat and was multiple orders of magnitudes greater than the next best known Demigod reaction feat that was calculated to be Subsonic.​
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Relevant comments:

1A:
Now onto the AP downgrade that this verse needs:

Typhon, one of the most powerful characters in the entire Riordanverse, was said to be responsible for the craters on the moon. For an example of the power needed to do this, let’s use the largest moon crater, South Pole–Aitken basin. It is 2,500 kilometers deep, and about 8.2 kilometers deep. Plugging this into our Semi-Ellipsoid Calculator, we get a volume of 26,834,437.249 Cubic Kilometers or 2.6834437249e+22 cubic centimeters. Now let’s apply violent fragmentation (An extreme lowball), Pulverization, and Vaporization (Scientists say the craters on the Moon are caused by meteors, so this will be our high end).

Violent Fragmentation:
69 joules/cubic centimeter

69 x 2.6834437249e+22 = 1.8515762e+24 joules


Pulverization:
214.35 joules/cubic centimeter

214.35 x 2.6834437249e+22 = 5.7519616e+24 joules


Vaporization:
25,700 joules/cubic centimeter

25,700 x 2.6834437249e+22 = 6.8964504e+26 joules


So to sum it up:

Low End Violent Fragmentation: 442.537332696 Teratons (High 6B, Country Level)

Mid End Pulverization: 1.37475181644 Petatons (6A, Continent Level)

High End Vaporization: 164.829120459 Petatons (High 6A, Multi-Continent Level)

The gods creating constellations could be some level of reality manipulation or matter manipulation, as it would be preposterous to say that one of the verse’s god tiers best feat is hundreds of times weaker than Artemis. Also, in the context of the Riordanverse, the Sun is not actually as far away, powerful, or large, and the constellations are not real stars, but objects placed in the sky itself. Within the Riordan Verse, reality exists in layers, where the constellations are both real stars scientifically, while also being smaller, placed objects for those exposed to the Greek Pantheon. It’s confusing, but your belief system determines which rules apply to you.

Not only this, but Zues flooding the world is 5 Exatons, which while higher, is still only Multi-Continent level, and would, again, be explained by weather manipulation (Which he is THE GOD OF, and should be more powerful with), reality manipulation, or basic matter manipulation. Not only that, but Zues consistently outclasses the other gods by leagues and leagues.

Also, the minor gods should not be over 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of times weaker than the likes of Apollo, at only island level.


Then there’s the Supernova feat, where Jason describes Hera’s true form to look like a supernova. There is no reason this should be valid, as Jason has never seen a supernova or any such explosion and it most likely is a hyperbole. Even worse, he said it “looks like”, and yeah a being of pure energy that can obliterate continents will look like a supernova to an Island level character, but that doesn’t mean it’s comparable to one. If anything, the lack of damage, the fact that the characters only feel a flash of heat when near her, and only die if they directly see her promotes the assumption that this statement is simply put, false. It is a simile meant to illustrate how bright her true form is.

In conclusion, all major Gods, Titans, and Primordials need their speeds to be edited appropriately to remove their relativistic rating until more concrete feats can be provided, and all major Gods, Titans, and Primordials need their tiers lowered to Multi-Continent level.

Gae could still scale to planet level as an Earth sized entity, but the AP profiles should be edited as follows, (Assuming High 6A was used).

Zeus: At most High 6A physically (Physically weaker than Typhon, and was defeated by him) | Higher with Weather Manipulation (Was able to flood the entire planet) | Far higher with the Thunderbolt (Was able to defeat Typhon with it in only several shots)

Typhon: At least High 6A physically (Was able to create craters on the moon’s surface)

And Typhon’s durability is at least his AP, but could reach 5C as it took several shots from Zues’s lightning bolt to weaken him enough to be captured (Which massively Upscales Zeus' 5 exaton feat), but that will not be included in this draft, as the Typhon feat is up for debate.

Typhon: At least High 6A, likely far higher (Was able to take multiple strikes from Zues’s lightning bolt before being incapacitated)

Zues: At most High 6A (Was defeated by Typhon)

All other gods should scale noticeably below Zues, and would scale to a 6A+ rating or the bottom end of High 6A.
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1B:
Alright. Now to actually contribute to this thread.

The quotes in question are:

Artemis turns Zoe into a constellation:
"I watched as Artemis cupped her hand above Zoë’s mouth and spoke a few words in Ancient Greek. A silvery wisp of smoke exhaled from Zoë’s lips and was caught in the hand of the goddess. Zoë’s body shimmered and disappeared. Artemis stood, said a kind of blessing, breathed into her cupped hand and released the silver dust to the sky. It flew up, sparkling, and vanished.
For a moment, I didn’t see anything different. Then Annabeth gasped. Looking up in the sky, I saw that the stars were brighter now. They made a pattern I had never noticed before – a gleaming constellation that looked a lot like a girl’s figure – a girl with a bow, running across the sky.
‘Let the world honour you, my huntress,’ Artemis said.
‘Live forever in the stars.’"

Zeus turns Callisto into a constellation:
"“Let me make it up to you.” He transformed her into stars and lobbed
them into the sky. He did the same for Arcas, figuring the boy would be safe
from Hera that way. The stars formed patterns that looked like bears, which is
why the Greeks named them the Big Dipper and the Little Dipper.
Ha-ha! Just kidding! The Greeks called them Ursa Major and Ursa Minor,
or the Great Bear and the Little Bear. Ursa Major looks like a—well, like a
big water dipper, actually, with a bent handle and a wide-mouthed bowl. Ursa
Minor is a smaller version of a dipper with a handle that bends up instead of
down.
FYI: Rumor has it that Zeus and Callisto secretly hang out when he’s in
his Roman form. He hides in the planet Jupiter—or maybe he becomes the
planet Jupiter—and she revolves around him in the nearby moon named after
her. Watch for a supernova in that quadrant of the sky when Hera discovers
their trysts."

Note: If anyone requires a particular scan, I have access to both a physical and digital copy of a majority of the books apart of the Riordanverse and would be happy to supply them.

In the Artemis feat the wording is important to look at:

"I watched as Artemis cupped her hand above Zoë’s mouth and spoke a few words in Ancient Greek. A silvery wisp of smoke exhaled from Zoë’s lips and was caught in the hand of the goddess. Zoë’s body shimmered and disappeared. Artemis stood, said a kind of blessing, breathed into her cupped hand and released the silver dust to the sky. It flew up, sparkling, and vanished.
For a moment, I didn’t see anything different. Then Annabeth gasped. Looking up in the sky, I saw that the stars were brighter now. They made a pattern I had never noticed before – a gleaming constellation that looked a lot like a girl’s figure – a girl with a bow, running across the sky.
‘Let the world honour you, my huntress,’ Artemis said.
‘Live forever in the stars.’"

Now its easy to see why there are conflicting interpretations of this feat, there are multiple instances in the quote that might give the impression of Zoe turning directly into stars.

Her body disappearing as Artemis sends the silver dust into the sky, Percy noting that he didn't see anything different and Artemis stating that Zoe would "Live forever in the stars." all make it seem like that is the case.

However, the following section of the quote makes it clear that is not the case.

"For a moment, I didn’t see anything different. Then Annabeth gasped. Looking up in the sky, I saw that the stars were brighter now. They made a pattern I had never noticed before – a gleaming constellation that looked a lot like a girl’s figure – a girl with a bow, running across the sky."

So to break this down, Percy initially didn't notice any change in the night sky, but then does stating that "the stars were brighter now". Him referring in past tense to the stars that were then brighter insinuates that the stars he is referring to existed prior to them brightening.

These now brighter stars created a new pattern that Percy hadn't noticed before due to their previous dullness, a constellation of Zoe.

The emphasis on increasing brightness of stars in the formation of the constellation seems to indicate that it was not created by stars moving or being created but previously dull stars increasing in luminosity to create an image juxtaposed against the rest of the stars in the sky.

It should also be noted that we do not know exactly what method Artemis used to brighten the stars. All we have is a play by play of it occurring and not an explanation.

Obviously, due to how we all know the Riordan Cosmology works Artemis could not have been affecting real stars directly as she is apart of the Greek Mythologic belief system, therefore she would interact with the stars as they exist in the Greek Mythology.

Now we have never to my knowledge been told what stars are in the greek belief system in the Riordanverse, however we still know they are not scientifically accurate as that interpretation did not exist when the belief system was first conceived.

Since we do not know exactly how the universe compensates for Greek Mythological stars (GM Stars) being brightened we cannot reasonably say this feat is equal to brightening scientifically accurate stars (SA Stars for short) without supporting information as there is no reason to assume that Artemis brightening GM stars requires the same amount of energy as brightening SA stars.

The second quote cannot be used as it falls victim to the same issue, in which Zeus transforms Callisto into GM stars, not SA stars, so other examples must be used.

I propose that until the assumption that brightening a GM star takes the same amount of energy to brightening a SA star can be proven the gods should have their AP and durability lowered to that of their next best showings.

There's also the argument to be made that even if prior feats were examples of the Greek gods creating SA constellations and stars, since they do not show that level of power in combat, they would only be 4-C via Creation Hax and their durability and AP should be altered regardless.
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2A:
The whole Hermes shoe calc took multiple quotes disgustingly out of context.

Its whole logic is based on the fact that Percy and Annabeth fell for 9 days before reaching Tartarus and that Kronos in TLT had to react to Grover's flying shoes traveling that same distance when they entered Tartarus in order to attempt to suck them into it.

Anybody who has so much as read the books could point out multiple issues with that rationale and because I have the time I'm going to list them all.

1. Percy and Annabeth didn't fall for 9 days, she was referencing that the poet Hesiod:
"Nine days. As she fell, Annabeth thought about Hesiod, the old Greek poet who'd speculated it would take nine days to fall from earth to Tartarus. She hoped Hesiod was wrong. She'd lost track of how long she and Percy had been falling - hours? A day?"

2. There's no reason to assume that the shoes fell the distance that Percy and Annabeth did as they fell in a completely different entrance that was in Rome, not in the underworld. Even if you factor the distance to Hades given in SoN and subtract that from the distance Percy and Annabeth fell, we still don't know how deep that section of Tartarus goes.

3. There's no reason to assume that Kronos reacted to the shoe's travelling that distance as he was in a scattered form that did not reside in a single place within Tartarus and would not need to see the shoes to react as he is capable of sensing beings in the mortal world.

4. The shoes had never shown comparable speeds before in any of the several fights they were used in the book prior. The value calc'ed would be an outlier on principle of it being orders of magnitudes faster than its best feat.

The fact that Percy and Annabeth were able to keep up with said shoes on foot should be enough to debunk the calc.
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2B:
I was referring to the feat used in this calc.

Simply put, Percy fails to react to lightning every time its fired at him and Jason has never explicitly reacted to lightning.

The feat used to give most of the verse "Massively Hypersonic" speeds never mentions Jason reacting to lightning:

"The second spirit let loose a bolt of lightning, but Jason's blade absorbed the charge."

The fact that Jason was subconsciously using his powers to direct attacks away from himself even with amnesia and that he can control lightning already alone casts enough doubt on the feat as it is, but the fact that Percy couldn't react to lightning from further away when there was a clear wind-up on the attack back in TTC and still couldn't react to it again in his fight with Jason later on (who is evenly matched with Percy in terms of reaction speed) debunks the calc outright.

I should also note the distances mentioned in the calc of 21 meters is also bogus as the 2 Venti attacking Jason charged him at the same time, the first of which he cut with his sword, the second being the one that launched lightning at him, who is then promptly cut down by him without much additional movement mentioned, meaning the distance was closer to 5 meters than 20.

"He looked at his two comrades and yelled, “Well? Kill him!”
The other storm spirits didn’t look happy with that order, but they flew at Jason, their fingers crackling with electricity. Jason swung at the first spirit. His blade passed through it, and the creature’s smoky form disintegrated. The second spirit let loose a bolt of lightning, but Jason’s blade absorbed the charge. Jason stepped in—one quick thrust, and the second storm spirit dissolved into gold powder."
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Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Which calc made demigods MHS+?
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The calc mentioned here:
I was referring to the feat used in this calc.

Simply put, Percy fails to react to lightning every time its fired at him and Jason has never explicitly reacted to lightning.

The feat used to give most of the verse "Massively Hypersonic" speeds never mentions Jason reacting to lightning:

"The second spirit let loose a bolt of lightning, but Jason's blade absorbed the charge."

The fact that Jason was subconsciously using his powers to direct attacks away from himself even with amnesia and that he can control lightning already alone casts enough doubt on the feat as it is, but the fact that Percy couldn't react to lightning from further away when there was a clear wind-up on the attack back in TTC and still couldn't react to it again in his fight with Jason later on (who is evenly matched with Percy in terms of reaction speed) debunks the calc outright.

I should also note the distances mentioned in the calc of 21 meters is also bogus as the 2 Venti attacking Jason charged him at the same time, the first of which he cut with his sword, the second being the one that launched lightning at him, who is then promptly cut down by him without much additional movement mentioned, meaning the distance was closer to 5 meters than 20.

"He looked at his two comrades and yelled, “Well? Kill him!”
The other storm spirits didn’t look happy with that order, but they flew at Jason, their fingers crackling with electricity. Jason swung at the first spirit. His blade passed through it, and the creature’s smoky form disintegrated. The second spirit let loose a bolt of lightning, but Jason’s blade absorbed the charge. Jason stepped in—one quick thrust, and the second storm spirit dissolved into gold powder."
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I think that's HHS+ but anyway

I don't think demigods should scale to the major gods in speed since we've accepted that cases of them fighting Olympiads are a mixture of the Gods not going all out or PIS
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
I think that's HHS+ but anyway

I don't think demigods should scale to the major gods in speed since we've accepted that cases of them fighting Olympiads are a mixture of the Gods not going all out or PIS
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My mistake, but yes, I agree that Demigods shouldn't directly scale to the gods directly as there are usually in canon explanations as to why they are not fighting at full capacity.
 
Right the first point is valid for the MHS+ feat but just to bring up some problems I have with the other 3 arguments

2. I think the 9 days thing as you said was not based on falling from Rome by Percy and Annabeth but Greek mythology itself. But now that I look at it Greek mythology has a lot of contradictory versions (as expected) with some versions being that it's 9 days from Earth while some versions being 9 days from Hades. So I guess that does support that "9 days" was merely a theory and shouldn't be used to calculate the distance I guess.

3. I don't think Kronos reacting to the shoes was a factor, more so that Hermes's travel speed should be superior to fake shoes

4. The shoes were gradually picking up pace in the scene and Percy and Annabeth eventually could not keep up with them at all. And I'm pretty sure the speed of the shoes can be regulated during their usage given their manoeuvrability and Grover wouldn't go at a speed he can't even react to when fighting.

The first point is still valid I guess I'm just petty XD

Oh and the 9 days thing was also talking about a bronze anvil so I guess that invalidates the calc too RIP
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Right the first point is valid for the MHS+ feat but just to bring up some problems I have with the other 3 arguments

2. I think the 9 days thing as you said was not based on falling from Rome by Percy and Annabeth but Greek mythology itself. But now that I look at it Greek mythology has a lot of contradictory versions (as expected) with some versions being that it's 9 days from Earth while some versions being 9 days from Hades. So I guess that does support that "9 days" was merely a theory and shouldn't be used to calculate the distance I guess.

3. I don't think Kronos reacting to the shoes was a factor, more so that Hermes's travel speed should be superior to fake shoes

4. The shoes were gradually picking up pace in the scene and Percy and Annabeth eventually could not keep up with them at all. And I'm pretty sure the speed of the shoes can be regulated during their usage given their manoeuvrability and Grover wouldn't go at a speed he can't even react to when fighting.

The first point is still valid I guess I'm just petty XD

Oh and the 9 days thing was also talking about a bronze anvil so I guess that invalidates the calc too RIP
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For 3. the calc quite specifically brings that up:
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
So in The Lightning Thief, Grover almost gets sucked into Tartarus due to Kronos's curse. When the titan sees the shoes are empty, he gets mad and tries to pull the demigods in. The entire conversation quite generously takes a minute (I timed myself reciting it with several...several second pauses).

This means the shoes had to traverse the entire length of Tartarus in that minute for Kronos to see they were empty.
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Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
2. I think the 9 days thing as you said was not based on falling from Rome by Percy and Annabeth but Greek mythology itself. But now that I look at it Greek mythology has a lot of contradictory versions (as expected) with some versions being that it's 9 days from Earth while some versions being 9 days from Hades. So I guess that does support that "9 days" was merely a theory and shouldn't be used to calculate the distance I guess.
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Percy and Annabeth were about a week in Tartarus since they landed. They fell in July 1st and emerged out on July 18th, as the end of House of Hades happens two weeks before Gaea awakened on August 1st, so the 9 days fall fits there pretty nicely
 
Here's the 6A Typhon calc Typhon blows the 4C act.

Also, the relativistic speed feat was decidedly not reliable, as we don't know if Percy started moving before or after the Sol attack was launched.

If we can find more speed feats, that would be cool, and I'm not trying to scale the gods to Demi-Gods, I'm more just asking if the only legit demigod speed feat is subsonic, then what would we put on the god's profiles? At least Subsonic+? Transonic, likely far higher?
 
The_real_cal_howard said:
In what world is “causes a supernova” an act of hax? Hera’s feat isn’t her turning into a supernova. It’s literally just her exploding stars when she’s angry at Zeus.
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This seems to make sense to me. So do we not need to change any statistics for this verse then? Improved explanations to avoid future misunderstandings are always useful though.
 
Here's a quote from Camp Half Blood Chronicles that seems relevant to this thread.
I appreciated this sage advice but decided to seek my own technique for survival training. So I did what I often do when contemplating a challenge: I looked to the stars for guidance. That’s when it hit me—I could teach demigods to look to the stars for guidance! Constellations are awesome orientation and navigation tools. They have great historic significance, too, since they’re made up of beings and people placed in the heavens by the Greek gods.
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That should (?) explain Zeus's and Artemis's star feats. From a Greek Mythology perspective, they're not creating real stars, just placing spirits in the sky.
 
Could you share a quote from TKC (if you have it)? I don't remember anything like that, but I haven't read the books in a while.
 
I found one.
She frowned at her uneaten Fancy Feast. “Ra is the god of the sun. In olden times, he aged as the day
aged, then sailed through the Duat on his boat each night and was reborn with the sunrise each
morning.”
“But the sun isn’t reborn,” I put in. “It’s just the rotation of the earth—”
“Sadie,” Bast warned.
Right, right. Myth and science were both true—simply different versions of the same reality, blah,
blah. I’d heard that lecture a hundred times, and I didn’t want to hear it again.
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