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That seems like a good idea to me.
I am not familiar enough with this verse to properly evaluate this. My apologies.
What do the rest of you think of the above issues?
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Dropping the Riordanverse Tier by smiting it with Zeus' Lightning Bolt
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What do the rest of you think of the above issues?
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Starting off with people we know scale to the 6A feat, Zues and Typhon;
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Zeus: 6A physically (Was able to physically fight Typhon, though he was eventually defeated) | At least High 6A with weather Manipulation (Was able to flood the planet), far higher (Zeus' Masterbolt is the god's most powerful weapon, and was capable of stunning Typhon.)
Typhon: 6A physically (Created the craters on the moon when attacking it)
Durability:
Zeus: At most 6A (Was injured and defeated by Typhon's physical strikes)
Typhon: At leat 6A (Was able to take physical strikes from Zeus, and defeat him) | At least High 6A (Was only stunned by Zeus' Masterbolt after multiple strikes)
AP:
Zeus: 6A physically (Was able to physically fight Typhon, though he was eventually defeated) | At least High 6A with weather Manipulation (Was able to flood the planet), far higher (Zeus' Masterbolt is the god's most powerful weapon, and was capable of stunning Typhon.)
Typhon: 6A physically (Created the craters on the moon when attacking it)
Durability:
Zeus: At most 6A (Was injured and defeated by Typhon's physical strikes)
Typhon: At leat 6A (Was able to take physical strikes from Zeus, and defeat him) | At least High 6A (Was only stunned by Zeus' Masterbolt after multiple strikes)
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uhh, shouldn't they be High 6-A based off the earth flooding?
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Yeah, but the Masterbolt is Zeus's most powerful weapon, so it would most likely scale at or above his weather manipulation
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Yes, but they'd still be in the same tier even after the downscaling.
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Well the only physical from Typhon is low 6A, and Zues is the god of storms. Idk if his physicals would scale to Zeus's control over his domain
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The moon crater calc, Selene eneded up retreating, so the crater could have been a glancing hit or something. idk
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I mean, the damage was still caused no matter what, if anything it supports that the feat was casual.
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No problem.
Have you reached an agreement here then? It would probably be good if somebody lists all of the staff members who have helped out previously in this thread though, so I can ask them what they think.
Have you reached an agreement here then? It would probably be good if somebody lists all of the staff members who have helped out previously in this thread though, so I can ask them what they think.
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I hate to make a drawn-out CRT even more drawn-out, but technically, since the Moon in Greek Mythology is a chariot, the 6A calc can't be used.
A more accurate way of determining Typhon's striking strength would be to use his feat of creating crust-splitting chasms with single strikes:
It might yield results close to 6A, but until that can be confirmed, or a better feat can be brought up we can't rate Typhon's strikes as 6A.
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For the latter, until supporting statements or feats indicate otherwise we can't directly scale the other Olympian's "God Form" to each other.
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Can I get a scan on that?
Seems reasonable enough. It was said he caused the Moon's crater's but I can see how with our current understanding of the verse, this feat isn't 100% reliable.
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Thanks, I'll calc that tommorow
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It's up to debate, but if the actual craters on the moon are being credited to Typhon, it should count as a feat for him.
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Well, if we downgrade the God, we should also downgrade Titan and Primordial (except Chaos of course), especially their Solar System level which have no justification, only baseless scaling to Gaea who somehow have Solar System rating due to being stronger than her avatar state......which kinda bad reason to me
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The quote in question doesn't actually attribute the craters on the actual moon to Typhon, but the craters on the Moon chariot:
Additionally, Typhon would have no way of reaching to SA moon as A. he's not big enough to reach it from earth and B. even if he could he wouldn't be able to interact with it due to him being apart of Greek Myth and believing the moon to be a chariot.
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I agree with this. The Titans and Primordials have no feats to justify their current tiering and should be downgraded in accordance with any future findings regarding their feats in this CRT.
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Anyone got any other scans.
Currently, we have one High 6A feat (Zues's weather manipulation)
One 6A feat (Typhon hitting the Moon) is up for debate
And we have another feat that is at least casually 6C.
And Minor God's pure energy forms release 6C levels of energy.
Currently, we have one High 6A feat (Zues's weather manipulation)
One 6A feat (Typhon hitting the Moon) is up for debate
And we have another feat that is at least casually 6C.
And Minor God's pure energy forms release 6C levels of energy.
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Does Typhon have a godly form like other gods? I don't think he does, but
If we use the same square cube law logic that put the minor gods at 6C, and apply it to Typhon and proportion him out to an average Greek human (A lowball as Typhon has numerous tentacles and other extremities), his true form would constantly release 28.1814311635 Teratons of TNT, or High 6A
If we use the same square cube law logic that put the minor gods at 6C, and apply it to Typhon and proportion him out to an average Greek human (A lowball as Typhon has numerous tentacles and other extremities), his true form would constantly release 28.1814311635 Teratons of TNT, or High 6A
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Typhon is a monster, not a god, right?
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Wait, hold on, is the moon crater stuff just from the myths or is it brought up in actual Riordan books
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It's from Riordan books
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It comes from this quote here from Percy Jackson's Greek Gods, a in-canon book written by Percy Jackson which includes his takes on different Greek myth:
But since the Greek's believed the moon was a chariot this feat isn't actually comparable to creating the actual craters on the moon.
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I actually haven't gotten as far as PJ's GG yet, so I don't have any scans atm.
I could read through the whole chapter on Typhon to see if there's anything else good there, but it might take me a bit because of some IRL deadlines I need to meet.
Didn't Zeus' feat of flooding the world take multiple hours to actually happen?
As shown in this quote it took less than an hour for the flood waters to get to the top of a building, and it kept raining for a considerable amount of time after as well.
I actually don't know if the feat took that into account.
Could someone link the calc for the flooding feat?
Additionally, could you link the calc for a minor god's pure energy form giving off 6C levels of energy?
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The gods turning into pure energy
Odly, there are two world flooding calculations, one on the Reference for Common Feats Page at 5 Exatons (High 6A), and another which comes out to 18.654 Petatons (6A)
Odly, there are two world flooding calculations, one on the Reference for Common Feats Page at 5 Exatons (High 6A), and another which comes out to 18.654 Petatons (6A)
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Both of those calcs aren't at all what Zeus did in PJ's GG.
The Common Feat calc assumes the water must've first been vaporised to form rain clouds, and uses the energy it takes to achieve that as basis for the tiering. It doesn't factor in time or make sense considering the context.
The second feat assumes that the flood water must've been telekinetically raised above the sea-level and uses the energy it would take to lift essentially all the water in the Ocean 800 meters up. The book never mentions anything of the sort, and insinuates that Zeus used solely rain to flood the world.
I actually have no idea how to quantify Zeus' feat here, but do feel it leans more towards Creation Hax than a single attack that has an AP.
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That flooding feat should be hax, due to no further context involve
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Idk for sure, do you have a scan for that?
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There was. Its basically an off-hand remark about the Titan-Olympian war:
Since it doesn't mention the number of gods involved we can't attribute it to the AP of a single one.
Additionally, this is coming from an in-universe book that was written by someone who knows very little about what actually happened and explicitly stated was telling his "spin" on the stories.
So, all in all, not the best feat.
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