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Dropping the Riordanverse Tier by smiting it with Zeus' Lightning Bolt

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Gilad_Hyperstar said:
I suppose 6-C should go. That said, Percy Jackson and those who scale to him (Thalia, Jason, Nico, Hazel. Rest of the seven downscales from him) do have some Tier 7 feats going for them

Lifting Strength should also be downgraded as Percy could lift the sky because he was couragous and was willing to take it from Artemis

Not sure now what would be the case with the Olympians, since Zoë's constellation didn't exist before she died as Artemis made a new constellation
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Gilad_Hyperstar said:
I suppose 6-C should go. That said, Percy Jackson and those who scale to him (Thalia, Jason, Nico, Hazel. Rest of the seven downscales from him) do have some Tier 7 feats going for them

Lifting Strength should also be downgraded as Percy could lift the sky because he was couragous and was willing to take it from Artemis
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I agree with this
 
AnonymousBlank said:
On demigod powers (particularly those of the Big Three kids/Seven tier), they scale to their physicals like … all the time. Giants and Titans take that shit all the time and proceed to smack around the demigods without pasting them instantly, Bear Frank and Hazel ganked Alcyoneus, Percy busted Hubbard Glacier by channelling his power through his arm for a physical strike, Percy was in ground Zero for St. Helens exploding, Jason tanked IVLIVS snapping to the face, Percy = Jason who both fought Ephi and Otis who could take Jason’s lightning, Percy got his by Thalia’s lightning a bunch when he was younger, no Curse Percy can fight Curse Kronos who stomps a hole through Olympus and shook it, I think Percy took a hit from Atlas > Hyperion > Curse Percy (TC Percy gave up pretty quick and went begging for help but it shows they still in the same ballpark even in Book 3) etc. Tier 7 Big Three Kids is honestly more consistent than any other scaling in the setting tbh.

Edit: Speed is pointless so miss me with that shit
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Yeah Tier 9 demigods is incredibly inaccurate lol
 
I’m not sure why Tier 6 is gone though? Even if we remove the sky calcs, Jason still has a 7-A to 6-C storm calc and Leo can harm Khione, who has her own 6-C calc

Also even if we lose Class E, it’s chill because we still have several Class T feats
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
I’m not sure how TTC Percy failing to react to lightning is an anti feat ☠️ that Percy is like 4 years younger than the Jason who intercepted lightning
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That's not the only thing there or in this thread
The feat used to give most of the verse "Massively Hypersonic" speeds never mentions Jason reacting to lightning:

"The second spirit let loose a bolt of lightning, but Jason's blade absorbed the charge."

The fact that Jason was subconsciously using his powers to direct attacks away from himself even with amnesia and that he can control lightning already alone casts enough doubt on the feat as it is, but the fact that Percy couldn't react to lightning from further away when there was a clear wind-up on the attack back in TTC and still couldn't react to it again in his fight with Jason later on (who is evenly matched with Percy in terms of reaction speed) debunks the calc outright.
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MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
That's not the only thing there or in this thread
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I don’t recall Jason using lightning against Percy but I guess I need to reread the fight

And Jason doesn’t need to explicitly say he reacted to it, because in terms of how intercepting lightning is treated in the verse, demigods of Zeus need to move their blade into the path of the attack. So Jason still caught the lightning after it was fired, in terms of how the feat was described
 
Didn’t Percy also see the bullet in slow motion in TTC? That alone would be like Massively Hypersonic
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Didn’t Percy also see the bullet in slow motion in TTC? That alone would be like Massively Hypersonic
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That was briefly mentioned in this thread here:
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
Here's another old thread regarding speed
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Mazdoesstuff said:
I mean Quicksilver percieving a bullet in slow motion was calced at like Massively Hypersonic
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It's better to have a proper calc rather than assume. Quicksilver having such a feat and calc like that doesn't mean Percy's feat would be the same value unless the feats are exactly the same with zero difference
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
I mean Quicksilver percieving a bullet in slow motion was calced at like Massively Hypersonic
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Quicksilver=/=Percy Jackson.

It 100% depends on the bullet and the context of the bullet being slowed, if Percy saw a flintlock gun shot, that's a Subsonic ball, if he saw a Barret 50. cal, that's a Supersonic+ bullet.
 
Percy can still percieve lightning. Percy reacted to Jason and Thalia throwing lightning at him

As well as Otis and Ephialetes using Jason's lightning against him and Jason
 
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
That was briefly mentioned in this thread here:


It's better to have a proper calc rather than assume. Quicksilver having such a feat and calc like that doesn't mean Percy's feat would be the same value unless the feats are exactly the same with zero difference
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Yeah ofc I’m just saying that there is potential for supporting feats for HH demigods

I can probably calc it later
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Percy can still percieve lightning. Percy reacted to Jason and Thalia throwing lightning at him

As well as Otis and Ephialetes using Jason's lightning against him and Jason
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Yeah Percy could perceive the lightning but he couldn’t physically react to block it, at least from what I remember from his fight with Thalia
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Yeah Percy could perceive the lightning but he couldn’t physically react to block it, at least from what I remember from his fight with Thalia
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He did reacted when he fought Jason. If he percieved it he'd still partially react to it so it's counts as reaction speed but I guess he would downscale from the speed
 
Also I do want to note that even if we did regard the sky lifting feat as willpower and not an LS feat, it still has 6-C energy, as Atlas stated it would flatten the mountain range and everything within a thousand leagues

Meaning that Annabeth would still have 6-C durability
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Also I do want to note that even if we did regard the sky lifting feat as willpower and not an LS feat, it still has 6-C energy, as Atlas stated it would flatten the mountain range and everything within a thousand leagues

Meaning that Annabeth would still have 6-C durability
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I'm pretty sure the feat that was mentioned by Atlas is way more than 6-C.

6-C was from PE of the sky as Percy was lifting it
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
I’m not sure why Tier 6 is gone though? Even if we remove the sky calcs, Jason still has a 7-A to 6-C storm calc and Leo can harm Khione, who has her own 6-C calc

Also even if we lose Class E, it’s chill because we still have several Class T feats
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What is being done about the whole constellation stuff
Has that been discarded already?
 
To explain what I mean, from Throne of Fire:
You might’ve seen news reports about the strange double sunrise over Brooklyn on the morning of March twenty-first. There were many theories: haze in the air from pollution, a temperature drop in the lower atmosphere, aliens, or perhaps another sewer-gas leak causing mass hysteria. We love sewer gas in Brooklyn!

I can confirm, however, that there briefly were two suns in the sky. I know this because I was in one of them. The normal sun rose as usual. But there was also the boat of Ra, blazing as it rose from the Duat, out of New York Harbor and into the sky of the mortal world. To observers below, the second sun appeared to merge with the light of the first.

What actually happened? The sun boat dimmed as it descended toward Brooklyn House, where the mansion’s antimortal camouflage shielding enveloped it, and made it seem to disappear
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There's the normal sun, the real big one we know in the real world, and Ra's boat. They exist at the same time, but are out of sync so people were able to see both. It's the same deal with Apollo and Artemis, they have their sun and moon that fly around, that exist independently from the "normal" sun and moon.

It doesn't matter if people see the constellations the gods created, or if they appear alongside normal ones (which definitely have myth versions as well since the Greeks were aware of them), or if there's a galaxy inside a god, or if Zeus creates ten million galaxies by flexing his muscles. The celestial bodies the gods interact clearly aren't the "normal" ones at all, as shown with the sun (which is a star, even) and the moon, I truly see no reason why the stars would be different, when the two main celestial bodies we see in the sky are explicitly not the "normal" ones.

At best, the constellations could become real later since mortals would see them and assume they were "normal", which might cause them to actually exist as normal stars, but then that goes into the reality warping belief humanity seems to have in the verse to create dozens of contradicting beliefs that are all real at the same time.
 
For speed, Frank saw the world as a blur and got sick just by moving at mach 1 with Arion, who's the speedster of the group. Demigods being above supersonic wouldn't make sense when that horse exists.
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
I'm pretty sure the feat that was mentioned by Atlas is way more than 6-C.

6-C was from PE of the sky as Percy was lifting it
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Yeah it got like High 6-A iirc LOL but I think it was just regarded as an outlier

But the 6-C stuff is there still, just not Class E
 
Finished calculating Percy seeing bullets in slow motion, I got it at Mach 59 or High Hypersonic+

Pretty much what I was talking about. I’ll go blog it rq
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
I also plan on splitting Percy’s profile into keys for the books
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Sure. I think keys should look something like:

The Lightning Thief and Sea of Monsters | The Titan's Curse and Battle of the Labyrinth | The Last Olympian/With Achilles curse | Heroes of Olympus / Kane Chronicles | Trials of Apollo / Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
The thing with travel speed is weird tho for some characters. Like Lityerses can straight up almost blitz Jason, which would make his movement speed scale to Jason’s reactions
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Wasn't all of it done in combat though? That would probably be combat speed
 
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