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Alright then
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Dropping the Riordanverse Tier by smiting it with Zeus' Lightning Bolt
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Riptide is 5 ft since when? Pretty sure it’s described to be “3ft of shimmering bronze” or smth like that
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Ah yeah I screwed up the length, it said 5 pounds and I accidentally put that
Fixing it rq, shouldn’t affect results much tho
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According to google, 5’10 was the most common age that popped up for Percy. Probably gotta check it again
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Yeah according to Percy Jackson’s UK site, 13 year old Percy is described as “5’10 and a bit slim”. He would be slightly taller since he was 14 when he did the feat, but not too much of a difference
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Some people grow faster in earlier years before settling for their maximum height. That said, Percy shouldn't be that much shorter than what he is now
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5’10” doesn’t really work though since the Demigod Files lists Annabeth as about 5’10” (freaking giant) at 13 and she is noted to be taller than Percy by a few inches until Labyrinth where Percy is almost as tall as her or smth. Assuming Annabeth doesn’t grow at all since she is < MoA Percy (he could kiss the top of her head) < MoA Jason = 6’ range, Percy kinda has to be around 5’8” max in TTC.
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I'm pretty sure Percy was stated to 6' in Heroes of Olympus with Jason being 6'1 or something
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Yeah, I think it was the Piper chapter at Topeka where they fight and she was comparing them and called Percy that and Jason and inch taller. Might need to go check my book rq.
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Updated the blog, result didn’t really change
Still High Hypersonic Titan’s Curse Percy
Still High Hypersonic Titan’s Curse Percy
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Kinda consistent considering Percy became High Hypersonic+ in Heroes of Olympus
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Technically the distance is wrong in the lightning catching calc, the calc uses the full distance of the canyon (21 meters) but Jason was actually in close quarter combat range with the spirit (so more like 5 meters)
The result would actually be Massively Hypersonic
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Huh, so maybe it should be recalced. Though I think what was calced was the lightning strike when they fought Otis and Ephialetes
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The lightning strike calc for Ephialtes was only Supersonic+, a considerable amount lower
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Not atm, we all kinda agree that Class E should be deleted but the 6-C stuff is still being debated, as well as the constellation stuff for gods
And I need an evaluation for my Percy calc
And I need an evaluation for my Percy calc
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For 6-C demigods, there's nothing to really support it at this point. The sky lifting feat is largely agreed to not be usable as a strength feat and thus shouldn't apply for AP or durability either. Jason's storm calc is inflated. It uses a 20km based on a misunderstanding on the calcer's part. It seems like it was never even actually accepted so idk how it's even on the pages. Unless there are other feats in this range then Demigods need a downgrade here.
On the subject of constellation feats for AP, I think it's pretty clear upon analysis of the mechanics of the verse that they aren't literally creating stars. The Artemis feat is explicitly her not creating them, as she merely emphasized existing stars to present an image. There's also a clear division in-universe between the celestial bodies in the universe and the representations in the supernatural world. Apollo, Ra, and their relationship with the sun make that pretty clear. Apollo himself states that all the stars and planets exist and operate independently of his (or any god's) involvement. So they obviously aren't creations of any of those gods. Although I think there might be some feats that are currently overlooked for AP. I know the Zeus planet flooding was decided to not be used because "it's just making it rain for 40 days", but I think we could still derive an AP value from creating storm clouds that cover the planet.
On the subject of speed, I think it might be useful to look at magicians from Kane Chronicles. Percy would upscale pretty easily from the lightning-dodging feats shown there. Like Carter deflecting lightning here. Percy scaling above Carter is already something established in the profiles so getting this one calced could be useful.
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There’s a reason for it to not be an LS feat; it was stated to be a matter of willpower. However, it inherently should qualify for AP considering Atlas’ direct statement on how the sky would flatten the mountain and everything within a hundred leagues
Also Leo can clash with Khione and overpower her, who has her own 6-C calc.
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Is the lightning real? It’s been a while since I read the books so I’m not too familiar with the magic in this series
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I can also try to recalc the Jason feat, assuming we have an official size for Gaea I could base it on her
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It doesn't qualify for AP because they aren't using strength to perform the feat. Why would we give Percy 6-C AP for something that had nothing to do with his AP? The sky falling has a certain amount of force behind it sure, but that force isn't countered by anything physical on Percy's part.
What calc is this? There's nothing on her page beside the true form calc we applied to every god. Because that's just the energy of converting their mass into energy. She doesn't actually manifest that much power unless she's in her true form. I did once see a calc for the freezing rain she did on another site (which we could upscale the attacks she used on Leo from), but that was somewhere in tier 7, nowhere close to 6-C. I definitely think the more relevant demigods are easily tier 7, there are a
It is. Egyptian mages don't really create objects or elements, but rather invoke concepts and summon representations from Ma'at, which is the origin of all things in creation. Trust me, once we get through stat revisions I will be doing massive revisions for the abilities of both the Greeks and the Egyptians (I've done some scaling of my own on other sites, I just need to transfer all that info here in a format that works with this site. Some of these pages could easily be twice the length.)
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Here's the Khione feat. Definitely notable that this seems to be a lowball since it's just temperature change. So a recalc could get this higher when we factor in cloud formation.
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If somebody writes a list of all the knowledgeable members who have helped out here previously, I can call for them afterwards.
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If the 6-C stuff is all ruled to be invalid, we can scale all of the characters to 7-B (23 megatons) from Percy‘s durability, since he withstood being in the epicenter of the Mount Saint Helens explosion
Before that though, there are a few calcs I want to make, like the Khione rain calc and I’m going to try to fix Jason’s storm calc
Before that though, there are a few calcs I want to make, like the Khione rain calc and I’m going to try to fix Jason’s storm calc
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So Piper gets 7-B for defeating Khione? Seems rather consistent with Percy's St. Helens feat and Leo matching her icy powers with his fire, considering all 7 either scale or downscale from Percy
That said, salty water has a lower freezing point than non-salty water (about −1.8°C, or 28.9°F for the Americans here), so Khione's freeze should be with that temperature in mind
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Trying to calc Leo’s supernova, and I’m finding it at anywhere from 7-B+ to High 7-A
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I'm not sure who it'll scale to. It killed Leo and was said to be able to kill any demigod due to the Imperial Gold in it, which is why Leo told Jason to get him and Piper away
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Well it was the combined effort of Leo‘s flames and the artillery. So if you divide it by 2 it would give Leo 7-A+ AP with fire
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The resulting explosion still killed Leo though. He basically set the fire to light the explosion, which killed him
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He never said it SCALED to anything but Leo's fire
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Yeah, though it's kinda inconsistent with the lore as the Big 3 are repeatedly stated to be the strongest demigods (and especially Percy and Jason), yet the blast is far above any of them
I would say the blast is the combination of Leo's fire lighting the projectile, as well as the Imperial Gold explosives in it that made this much damage. I'm pretty sure it was said that the projetiles will do that much damage based on Octavian's plans to use them to wipe Camp Half Blood with one fell swoop
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Pretty sure there was a statement about Leo actually having the most powerful magic
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I would like to see the scan. Also, there's this scan where Nico confirms Percy is the most powerful demigod he met
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Don’t remember the scan but I saw a few people talk about it on earlier threads
Regardless the big 3 can still upscale from Leo’s feat
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Which book is this from? I need to reread the feat
I have an idea on how to calc it but I need a few bits of info, such as how long is Carter’s staff and how wide is the room
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I'm hesitant to scale physicals to outright magical abilities in that way. I don't think Leo is physically as strong as the energy in his fire attacks for example, and the same is likely true for Khione and her ice. Maybe someone like Percy can get around that since there's usually less of a disparity between what he can do and tank compared to his powers. And Piper really shouldn't be on the level of some of the others at all, when she isn't physically impressive compared to the average demigod.
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Khione is a goddess so her magic would scale to her physicals to my knowledge. Piper can clash with Khione and even stab her, so she would scale to her dura
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Serpent's shadow. The feat takes place in the Hall of Ages, however, and I'm not sure about the size of it. I can look deeper into it later. Here's some irl measurements for a crook and flail.
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