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Nothing, Nowhere, Not At All - Metal Overlord Generations

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He's literally just using your logic against you and you're throwing a fit being too blind to see it, blud has never believed tier 1 infinite, clowned @Baken384 for it even.

He's literally just arguing off any objective evidence so if you keep making arguments against yourself in favor of tier 1 then he's not gonna go "aw shucks" hence him telling you you're digging youself a hole cause you're not doing a good job supporting what it is your truing to argue
No, I am arguing that the same "objective logic" for Metal Overlord applies to Infinite, and neither he nor you argued against it. Maybe you're the one too busy ********** Chariot to notice you're practically agreeing with 1-C Infinite.

You guys digged the hole with this thread, I am just showing you how big this hole truly is.
 
No, I am arguing that the same "objective logic" for Metal Overlord applies to Infinite, and neither he nor you argued against it. Maybe you're the one too busy ********** Chariot to notice you're practically agreeing with 1-C Infinite.
I'm reporting you.
You guys digged the hole with this thread, I am just showing you how big this hole truly is.
Nobody cares.
 
Okay, I'm honestly thinking it's best to remake this thread without the Metal Overlord downgrade because I don't think staff would like to read through this debate for him.

I think Metal Overlord staying at 1-C is preferable for now and his scaling should be done in another thread that's created from this.

Can we agree to this?
Thank the stars

When I first suggested this I was thinking of just converting this thread into an MO-focused one and making a new thread for the other stuff, but now since half of the arguments have been for something that doesn’t even exist in the game it’s probably better to just make a new one for him as well.

Right now we can just say Sonic doesn’t scale since it’s not like Metal being 1-C affects Shadow’s or Black Doom’s tiers that much.
 
I suppose because of the lack of information we’re given on Eggman’s experiences with Maginaryworld, there’s multiple inferences that can be made on if he knew about the fourth dimension, or how you could view other dream worlds as projections on a screen, or that MW is a 5-D construct, stuff that he could know definitively if he had the same ability to detect higher dimensional beings he had in ‘06. So, I suppose the idea he could deduce MW is 5-D is feasible, just wish it was explained better.
 
Right now we can just say Sonic doesn’t scale since it’s not like Metal being 1-C affects Shadow’s or Black Doom’s tiers that much.
Agreed to this, just don't touch sonic right now and cover the rest of the scaling elsewhere, the base shit for shadow and doom is accepted so just apply that and move forward

No, I am arguing that the same "objective logic" for Metal Overlord applies to Infinite, and neither he nor you argued against it. Maybe you're the one too busy ********** Chariot to notice you're practically agreeing with 1-C Infinite.

You guys digged the hole with this thread, I am just showing you how big this hole truly is.
Brah if you got a million pieces of evidence supporting it so be it, how we "feel" doesn't really matter to what we have especially if its consistently supported in evidence again as he said you've just been providing evidence against your original point but then going "see I got you, you agree with this". Well if you're providing objective evidence that supports X thing then of no one is going to disagree of the evidence presented is supported.

We know Shadow is unquantifiably stronger than he was previously and that he purposely jobbed the sonic fight, he and MO have no anti-feats right now from Shadow Gens so I'm sorry I disagree with his downgrade ig?

Anyways you've continously decided to be super disrespectful to me and I've not said shit to you out of line or with a hint of a disrespectful tone. You can respectuflly calm down and talk to me like a normal person, you're THE ONLY person who is this heated on this thread slinging insults and the like.

Like I said I don't personally buy the infinite statement but if you yourself want to argue for it and put together arguments for it then that's all you, no one told you to do that but here you are doing so and putting in on other people that are
 
Like I said I don't personally buy the infinite statement but if you yourself want to argue for it and put together arguments for it then that's all you, no one told you to do that but here you are doing so and putting in on other people that are
Why if you agree with Overlord stuff? What separates the Overlord stuff from this? It just seems bias.

you're THE ONLY person who is this heated on this thread slinging insults and the like.

Chariot has literally been insulting me as well. Sorry for insulting you but that guy is not innocent.
 
Well, actually, yeah, I can just turn this into the Metal Overlord thread if you guys would like and just repost everything else in another thread.

It would still somewhat daunting for the page numbers though...
 
For calling him a d*ckrider? Really? While you literally said you should've belittled me because it was "ridiculous"? You're not innocent here.
Uh, yes actually. That would be why.

Also i just checked, I didn't say that word at any point in this thread. But even then, at no point had I ever belittled you, sure don't agree with your arguments and think some objectively false, and voiced confusion in regards to the base vs base thing as being "in no world would we do this", but that ain't attacking you as a person lad.
 
Why if you agree with Overlord stuff? What separates the Overlord stuff from this? It just seems bias.
Overlord has no anti-feats from shadow gens, has the glaze in and out of the game while from what I remember infinite only has 1 statement thats made in a game where no super forms were present in the base games scaling so that one statement alone applying to super sonic seems dubious to me not bias at all, if infinite has a lot I'm missing thats actually concrete then why would I argue otherwise
 
Well, actually, yeah, I can just turn this into the Metal Overlord thread if you guys would like and just repost everything else in another thread.

It would still somewhat daunting for the page numbers though...
Just make a new thread, no one’s gonna sit for 11 pages (save the stuff here for a follow-up)
 
has the glaze in and out of the game while from what I remember infinite only has 1 statement thats made in a game where no super forms were present in the base games scaling so that one statement alone applying to super sonic seems dubious to me not bias at all, if infinite has a lot I'm missing thats actually concrete then why would I argue otherwise
Infinite has the same glaze, and there's no super forms in Shadow Gens, either.
 
For calling him a d*ckrider? Really? While you literally said you should've belittled me because it was "ridiculous"? You're not innocent here.
Oh wait no I read that wrong.
I said I should've because you said I did.

Like if I'm gonna get accussed of belitting you, I may as well have actually done so because it's ridiculous to be accused of doing something I never did, the fact remains I didn't belittle, you just said I did and I went "yep that's wild" basically🗿
You literally said you should've with a laughing emoji. That is belittling.
Wasn't a laughing emoji, moyai is for exasperation. Please do not accuse of others of things that never happened. And then frame the person in question going "Well damn I'm gonna be accused of it, I probably should've" as if that's actually doing what you said was being done.
 
Oh wait no I read that wrong.
I said I should've because you said I did.

Like if I'm gonna get accussed of belitting you, I may as well have actually done so because it's ridiculous to be accused of doing something I never did, the fact remains I didn't belittle, you just said I did and I went "yep that's wild" basically🗿
You were accused of and then proceeded to do what you were accused. That is belittling. You could've just been cordial if you're taking the high ground to the point of reporting me.
 
Infinite has the same glaze, and there's no super forms in Shadow Gens, either.
Shadow in gens is however unquantifiably amped and stronger from the moment he gets the first doom powers he scales from whatever he does after that as he's an open slate, like I said if infinite has more objective shit I don't know about then why would I argue against it, the better question is why would you if he has concrete objective shit that you yourself are already aware of
 
You were accused of and then proceeded to do what you were accused. That is belittling. You could've just been cordial if you're taking the high ground to the point of reporting me.
So you admit to simply accusing people? Well, I don't really care. I'm reporting you anyhow, me going "damn if im gonna be accused of it i probably shouldve" is not comparable to actual insults, belittling, or whatever you're framing this as, and now derailing this thread. It's called exasperation. Whatever, it is what it is. I'm not replying to you further unless you bring forth relevant discussion on the premise of the CRT.
 
Shadow in gens is however unquantifiably amped and stronger from the moment he gets the first doom powers he scales from whatever he does after that as he's an open slate, like I said if infinite has more objective shit I don't know about then why would I argue against it, the better question is why would you if he has concrete objective shit that you yourself are already aware of
So is Sonic in Forces. He's stronger since he got out of jail.
 
Overlord has no anti-feats from shadow gens, has the glaze in and out of the game while from what I remember infinite only has 1 statement thats made in a game where no super forms were present in the base games scaling so that one statement alone applying to super sonic seems dubious to me not bias at all, if infinite has a lot I'm missing thats actually concrete then why would I argue otherwise
Minor correction, Infinite also has a statement outside of the game (I think in an ad or something?) calling him the “strongest enemy”, and Eggman also says he’s “surpassed Infinite and become the ultimate form” while piloting the Death Egg Robot at the end of the game.

I do agree though that having no Super forms in the base game makes using these statements for Super level threats kinda suspect.
 
Oh hell no. If a new Overlord thread IS being made I am NOT making the mistake of having it be me again ☠

I'll make Part 3 without Overlord and be done with it, and adjust the OP of this one just in case.
Fair, I suppose Overlord being 1-C would come with some caveats that would have to be addressed.
 
So is Sonic in Forces. He's stronger since he got out of jail.
Okay?
Minor correction, Infinite also has a statement outside of the game (I think in an ad or something?) calling him the “strongest enemy”, and Eggman also says he’s “surpassed Infinite and become the ultimate form” while piloting the Death Egg Robot at the end of the game.

I do agree though that having no Super forms in the base game makes using these statements for Super level threats kinda suspect.
Yes this is what I'm referring to and yeah that'd be sus to make that statement scale to supers in that case
 
Stuff Post-Forces is really what kills the Infinite scaling, like Otherworld Comedy having previous final bosses >Sonic and stuff like that.
Shadow lost his powers so this won't happen with MO and Evolved Shadow.
 
Stuff Post-Forces is really what kills the Infinite scaling, like Otherworld Comedy having previous final bosses >Sonic and stuff like that.
Shadow lost his powers so this won't happen with MO and Evolved Shadow.
Yeah User kinda jumped the gun there it seems, I've not seen any evidence yet to suggest why Infinite would scale outside of his one statement when its made in a game with no super forms or super form scaling present
 
That aint allowed tho, it's essentially non-canon , god I wish it were tho, the recent cut pokemon slop would be funny af, would also have a field day with zelda
Though, the whole argument was it allegedally does create a contradiction with the scaling so....
If it ain't then it is what it is ig, I still have some concerns outside of that anyway so... bleh

Not the Pokémon slop bro don't even 😭
 
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Yeah User kinda jumped the gun there it seems, I've not seen any evidence yet to suggest why Infinite would scale outside of his one statement when its made in a game with no super forms or super form scaling present
Tbf we do have a robot powered by the true phantom Ruby as the final boss, which was a super form level threat in Mania, and there’s reason to believe it was super form level in this game because Eggman was overclocking it.
 
Well, I kinda made the other thread already

If people think it's fine to try and hold onto this thread, it's fine. I just don't want other staff to go "10 PAGES HOLY F#&K" and avoid it so I made a new thread. Gives me time to improve things by giving it a new grace period.
 
Well, I kinda made the other thread already

If people think it's fine to try and hold onto this thread, it's fine. I just don't want other staff to go "10 PAGES HOLY F#&K" and avoid it so I made a new thread. Gives me time to improve things by giving it a new grace period.
Nah, it is better to ask for closure and continue elsewhere

Personal experience, you don't want to deal with this big of a thread lol
 
Post-jail Sonic only has the feats of “doing better against Infinite”, when Infinite doesn’t have much beyond the hype statements.

There is the upscaling of Egg Dragoon, but Egg Dragoon’s scaling to high tier stuff is fairly tenuous, relying on either chain downscaling Perfect Dark Gaia or upscaling Metal Overlord (by virtue of it being an Eggman creation)
 
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