Dreams of an Overlord (Metal Overlord Tiering CRT)

[JJSliderman]

And base Sonic being on par with things that used to take Super sounds even worse, what of it?

Well yeah, I’m not contesting it but somehow Mephiles was able to get to tier 1 off of almost nothing, kind of crazy.

 

[Omegabronic]

Ngl an incomplete not even Doom Winged version of Shadow potentially being on par with Solaris sounds kinda funky.

No it doesn't?

Like, at some point you have to use common sense, no?

... this meaning? is... there something i am not seeing? what makes him becoming 1-C purely by having 5 Doom Powers "common sense" but him doing the same with 3 "funky"? he legit now has NO anti feats as it was accepted that Sonic doesn't scale to him at all, so sorry, but you will need to elaborate, arguments of disbelief purely for disbelief's sake... are not good arguments

 

[Omegabronic]

Since the main point for the downgrade for the OP, that being base Sonic scaling, has been officially rejected in Shake's thread, would it be better for me to make another thread covering specifically how would we scale Doom Powers Shadow to Metal Overlord? Since the topic changed considerably since the OP's points also, 8 pages is king of too big

 

[CloverDragon03]

The only way an Incomplete Doom Shadow being comparable to Solaris doesn't sound wrong is if we've entered peak powerscaling brainrot where common sense goes out the window in favor of higher ratings. Why then, pray tell, did Shadow not just go and beat the Time Eater's ass right away if that was the case? And why is Mephiles comparable to his own higher forms then? At some point, we need to take a step back and say: "Hey, this isn't right, what are we doing?"

At least when he's complete he's scaling off of Black Doom who has direct feats, as opposed to Metal Overlord being a hype machine and nothing else

Since the main point for the downgrade for the OP, that being base Sonic scaling, has been officially rejected in Shake's thread, would it be better for me to make another thread covering specifically how would we scale Doom Powers Shadow to Metal Overlord? Since the topic changed considerably since the OP's points also, 8 pages is king of too big

No, we've made a new thread already... this thread. We're not doing it again

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Is powerscaling brainrot NOT what we're here for? This is literally VsBattles Wiki. I don't get this logic and it would never be used for other verses in regards to its scaling. It doesn't matter if it "doesn't make sense" when all dials point to what is actually true. Characters will show one feat oftentimes and get scaled to that level immediately. It feels like it's literally only for this verse that we have these "houserules" and exceptions.

 

[Omegabronic]

The only way an Incomplete Doom Shadow being comparable to Solaris doesn't sound wrong is if we've entered peak powerscaling brainrot where common sense goes out the window in favor of higher ratings.

Again, argument of disbelief is not an argument, i know Shadow got stronger, the only base character scalling was explained as dismissed already, and he has the feat of fighting a dude that high up

I'd say that if someone did something... we rate them as doing said thing

Why then, pray tell, did Shadow not just go and beat the Time Eater's ass right away if that was the case?

Cause he was busy dealing with Black Doom... that is kind of the entire point as the why Shadow doesn't help Sonic out

And why is Mephiles comparable to his own higher forms then?

I dunno, how did Mephiles jumped from High 3-A to 2-C? How did Mephiles went from comparable to Shadow to being able to fight a Super Form level Shadow that he is by the time of Sonic Gens? Dunno, Mephiles clearly got stronger somehow, i have explanations... but since this thread isn't about Mephiles, i really see no point in discussing him

At some point, we need to take a step back and say: "Hey, this isn't right, what are we doing?"

If you can give an actual contradiction then sure, but so far all you did is saying "This is ridiculous", that... isn't really a contradiction, heck, i bet people find Wolverine having tier 1 via his claws "ridiculous" as well, yet we still rate him like that because that is just what we concluded from the feats he displayed

regardless, this thread isn't about Shadow, it is about Metal Overlord, hence why:

At least when he's complete he's scaling off of Black Doom who has direct feats, as opposed to Metal Overlord being a hype machine and nothing else

... this doesn't work, your only argument against Metal Overlord is that "he is only hyped, he has no direct feats" when that... doesn't matter, he has the evidence of fighting an above baseline Super Form? yes, Does he have statements indicating being above a tier 1 being/artifact? yes

Unless you can prove those statements invalid, or contradictory to the story, then you don't have a point and is purely arguing of increduity once more, which again, isn't an argument

No, we've made a new thread already... this thread. We're not doing it again

Which is now 8 pages long and is delving away from Metal Overlord's reasoning, don't you realise you are talking about other character's scalling for 90% of your post? Why are talking about Shadow or Mephiles scalling instead of tackling the reasoning given for Metal Overlord? "It doesn't make sense for Shadow/Mephiles to be that high" ok, how does that disprove the statements Metal Overlord has? if it doesn't... then it would be just outliers for them, nothing else, they STILL don't disprove or invalidate the statements Metal Overlord has

If you want to talk so much about how other characters scale to Metal Overlord... then we should make a thread for that instead of derailing the topic at hand, that being Metal Overlord's statements that put him that high to begin with

 

[Snek]

Only two votes from eight pages. I don't think I've seen that before.

 

[Omegabronic]

Only two votes from eight pages. I don't think I've seen that before.

two?