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Why are you multiplying Vegeta's rating by 50x for Goku when you admit its a false assumption?Vegeta admitted that nobody has outclassed him as thoroughly as Recoome, which would include Kaio-ken x4 Goku, so > 7.2 Tenatons and 1.7092c
Goku curbstomped the Ginyu Force, causing Vegeta to admit (incorrectly) that he's a Super Saiyan, so > 370 Tenatons and 1.7c. This is 4-C
Why are we scaling 1% Frieza to post Cell-Games Goku?Final Form Frieza brutally stomped Vegeta, so > 3.7 Kilotenatons and 1.095 quadrillion FTL
the insane and unhinged assumption that Vegeta knows the exact multiplier of that form is hilariousWhy are you multiplying Vegeta's rating by 50x for Goku when you admit its a false assumption?
It's actually Namek Saga Goku scaling to 1/10 of Second Form Frieza's power based on his statement that he could heavily assist against him if he was healedWhy are you multiplying Vegeta's rating by 50x for Goku when you admit its a false assumption?
I'm still not seeing it since the difference between Vegeta and the ratings is 51x and no multipliers are given.It's actually Namek Saga Goku scaling to 1/10 of Second Form Frieza's power based on his statement that he could heavily assist against him if he was healed
They just need to calc the speed of the Capsule Corp ship and substitute it for that and adjust the scaling to not have a random 50x boost in the middle.how should the relevant blog post and the recently edited affected DB profile pages be modified then?
Yeah, I'm confused by this point in the blog as well.Question, how does the Frieza saga cast scale from a feat that doesn't happen till the beginning of Buu saga? let alone, why does it scale to Kaioken x4 Goku during battle with Frieza? The feat happened during a period where even base Goku was above Cell and Frieza at least during the tournament anyway.
As strong as he was during the Cell Games.Okay, 7 years before the tournament then. But we don't know how strong that period of Goku's base form is
That's how strong he was during the Cell Games (just multiply his AP by x50)why he's being compared to a Kaioken x4 Battle with Frieza saga period for that matter
Nah, there's also Goku moving faster than the ship that brought him to Namek IIRC.Goku and Pikkon Cross the Afterlife (Redone)
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This seems to be the only major calc justifying the ratings for the Toei character's speed. Am I right? Is there anything else?
I believe you, but that doesn't seem to be on Toei Goku's profile or in the sandbox.Nah, there's also Goku moving faster than the ship that brought him to Namek IIRC.
Seems like the calc got accidentally removed I suppose. I got no idea where it is tho. Been a while since I last saw that calc.I believe you, but that doesn't seem to be on Toei Goku's profile or in the sandbox.
No problem.Seems like the calc got accidentally removed I suppose. I got no idea where it is tho. Been a while since I last saw that calc.
IIRC the new globe size of U7 also got updated as per this thread (Slightly bigger than last time), and we can just use the distance between the Grand Kai's planet and the top part of Hell as the distance. That's much more accurate.No problem.
That calc of Goku and the other dude crossing the afterlife... I have to admit, I have some problems with it, from a calcing perspective.
There doesn't seem to be enough grounds to justify the size of the distance they covered there. It just assumes "half the Universe" and that's that. The timeframe is also a major assumption but has some amount of justification to it.
Whilst the globe itself isn't an issue; I have to question how the size of the afterlife was found. I don't think a 1 to 1 comparison can be drawn up between the afterlife and the Universe itself when the diagram makes it appear much smaller. We can see Snake Way in it after all.IIRC the new globe size of U7 also got updated as per this thread (Slightly bigger than last time), and we can just use the distance between the Grand Kai's planet and the top part of Hell as the distance. That's much more accurate.
DB Kai The Final Chapters (Chapter 20 IIRC) shows the Universe map in the exact same way. So yeah. It does show the Afterlife being that big. (And DB Kai shows snippets from the Tournament).Whilst the globe itself isn't an issue; I have to question how the size of the afterlife was found. I don't think a 1 to 1 comparison can be drawn up between the afterlife and the Universe itself when the diagram makes it appear much smaller. We can see Snake Way in it after all.
Is there anything in the anime or the movies themselves that point to the afterlife being that size?
Oh, I'm sure the structure is correct. It's the size / distances that I'm looking for information on. Consider it as being like an internal pocket dimension. The outside of the globe could totally be the size of the Universe - but the afterlife, inside the globe, doesn't necessarily match the external dimensions in terms of size.DB Kai The Final Chapters shows the Universe map in the exact same way. So yeah. It does. (And DB Kai shows snippets from the Tournament).
But overall, the structure map is the exact same in all media. There's no difference.
Size and distances should also be the same on the inside AFAIK, but I think @DarkDragonMedeus and @AKM sama should be able to explain in more detail, they're the most knowledgeable on this.Oh, I'm sure the structure is correct. It's the size / distances that I'm looking for information on. Consider it as being like an internal pocket dimension. The outside of the globe could totally be the size of the Universe - but the afterlife, inside the globe, doesn't necessarily match the external dimensions in terms of size.
Okay, no problem.Size and distances should also be the same on the inside AFAIK, but I think @DarkDragonMedeus and @AKM sama should be able to explain in more detail, they're the most knowledgeable on this.
Oh, I'm sure the structure is correct. It's the size / distances that I'm looking for information on. Consider it as being like an internal pocket dimension. The outside of the globe could totally be the size of the Universe - but the afterlife, inside the globe, doesn't necessarily match the external dimensions in terms of size.
wait why is cooler's movies and dead zone considered canon?It was agreed upon a year ago that the Z movies, with the exception of Dead Zone and possibly Cooler's Revenge, were completely disconnected from the TV Anime and, thus, were to be removed from the Goku page.
wait why is cooler's movies and dead zone considered canon?
"Dead Zone" is considered canon because, on top of posing no significant contradictions, Garlic Jr. reappeared later in his own arc between the Frieza Saga and the Android Saga, solidifying his existence and the movie as canon to the TV anime, and because the Daizenshuu 7's timeline acknowledges its presence, something not done for the other movies.
"Cooler's Revenge" is canon to the TV anime because that movie also doesn't pose any significant contradictions while also being recognized by the Daizenshuu 7's timeline and being referenced in GT.
Dead Zone is present in the anime.wait why is cooler's movies and dead zone considered canon?
Can i just ask why cooler and turles is considered part of the anime still? Ive seen linked here an entire video on it and turles has serious inconsistencies with the anime timeline at all and the same for at least meta cooler (8:10 and 18:15). Unless theyre referenced in the anime?
You need to clarify this backscaling from the kkx10 better imo.Goku become much stronger after his training on augmented gravity, so > 370 Tenatons and 1.7c. This is 4-C
Where... where does this even come from?Super Perfect Cell is much stronger thanks to a zenkai boost, so > 25.86 ExaFOE and 438 quadrillion FTL. Scales to half of SSJ Teen Gohan's power. This is 4-A
Backscaling way down from Buu gradually destroying a galaxyYou need to clarify this backscaling from the kkx10 better imo.
Where... where does this even come from?
Why would SPC scale to Kid Buu?Backscaling way down from Buu gradually destroying a galaxy
No idea, I'm just reading the blogWhy would SPC scale to Kid Buu?
They were also both noted as being stronger than SS2 Gohan and the vastly superior SS3 Goku couldn't beat Kid Buu either.Well ssj2 buu saga goku and vegeta could physically contend with kid buu and take hits so thats my only guess.