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Updated Dragon Ball AP Ratings Upgrade

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Ednaxel2 said:
Gotenks diffuses before he absorbs Gohan, Goku even thought fusion was no longer necessary and that Gohan can take him on now
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TBF Gohan is just like a 2.5x boost for him.

My bad if you were talking about Buutenks getting to that level because he absorbed Gohan's and I misinterpreted it.
 
Veronica said:
So how do we take that a PL of 10K is planet level. Do we interprete it as a large planet?
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Planets like Namek are dense enough to endure the gravitational force of 3 suns at once and it's sighted as being "not that big of a planet". The mid end assumption for planets with unknown sizes and masses is that it's equal or comparable to Earth, yet it's made clear that in the series that Earth is a small planet so it can't be the baseline/mid-value for regular sized planets in the series. So yeah it would be fair to interpret it as large planet level
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Why 2.5x? Where does the .5 come from?
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Cause Gohan isn't even twice as strong as Super Buu.

SSJ3 Gotenks is equal to Super Buu, when Buu absorbed him he got all his power which means he got twice as strong (Piccolo was so much weaker than him that he practically doesn't count power wise) and he went from getting assblasted by Gohan to assblasting him instead.

So Gohan is not twice as strong as Super Buu, I put him at 1.5x stronger than him cause it's the middle between Super Buu and Buutenks.
 
BlastX said:
Cause Gohan isn't even twice as strong as Super Buu.

SSJ3 Gotenks is equal to Super Buu, when Buu absorbed him he got all his power which means he got twice as strong (Piccolo was so much weaker than him that he practically doesn't count power wise) and he went from getting assblasted by Gohan to assblasting him instead.

So Gohan is not twice as strong as Super Buu, I put him at 1.5x stronger than him cause it's the middle between Super Buu and Buutenks.
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I don't why it's justifiable to put Gohan in that mid range, like yeah it would make sense but we can't really prove that in any fasion, he's only an unknown amount above Super Buu
 
Ednaxel2 said:
I don't why it's justifiable to put Gohan in that mid range, like yeah it would make sense but we can't really prove that in any fasion, he's only an unknown amount above Super Buu
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He's less than x2 stronger than Super Buu yet could stomp him...

But the multiplier page says you can't turn a stomp around with just a x2 multiplier... Interesting...

Let's finish this so I can post my multiplier revision, it's already done.
 
In Dragon Ball that thing doesn't apply, even a difference of x1.14 (Nappa with a BP of 4000 VS Piccolo with a BP of 3500) was enough for a stomp
 
DB actually has statements saying 2x the ki of a foe, is enough to no sell shit. And we see 2x amps lead to manhandling numerous times.

Db is just a exception, not all verses have power gaps and stomps be the same, 2x is a big powergap in it and irl, multiplier page full of shit.
 
Chariot190 said:
DB actually has statements saying 2x the ki of a foe, is enough to no sell shit. And we see 2x amps lead to manhandling numerous times.

Db is just a exception, not all verses have power gaps and stomps be the same, 2x is a big powergap in it and irl, multiplier page full of shit.
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This site rejected a multiplier that has been stated twice because of that multiplier page bs 💀
I'm now equipped with counterevidence in case someone brings this dumb shit up in my Multiplier Revision, which should be going up in a few minutes.
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
He's less than x2 stronger than Super Buu yet could stomp him...

But the multiplier page says you can't turn a stomp around with just a x2 multiplier... Interesting...
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Goku turned around a stomp in his favour when he went SSJ against 50% Frieza, and we know damn well the gap between kaio-ken x20 and SSJ is nothing more than 2.5x. Another example being his first fight against Vegeta with the Kaio-ken multipliers. DB just doesn't fit this rule
 
This isn't exactly consistent, Super Buu should be able to evaporate Base Gotenks' head with a slap, as he is as strong as SSJ3 Gotenks, yet this doesn't happen because it's inconvenient.
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
This isn't exactly consistent, Super Buu should be able to evaporate Base Gotenks' head with a slap, as he is as strong as SSJ3 Gotenks, yet this doesn't happen because it's inconvenient.
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Fiction aint gonna be 100% consistent.
But still stands, DB outright says 2x = stomp, so that's kinda that, and we have many examples to demonstrate that.

The Buu example is insane, given SSJ3 is well over 100x, so yeah, you're right he SHOULD have punked Gotenks, but he didnt because manga and dont think to hard about it. That doesnt quite detract from 2x being the "canon" stomp gap in DB as a whole.

Lads vaporizing dudes from a 2x is a tad wacky tho, but we know ki attacks can spike in PL so whatever.
 
Chariot190 said:
Fiction aint gonna be 100% consistent.
But still stands, DB outright says 2x = stomp, so that's kinda that, and we have many examples to demonstrate that.

The Buu example is insane, given SSJ3 is well over 100x, so yeah, you're right he SHOULD have punked Gotenks, but he didnt because manga and dont think to hard about it. That doesnt quite detract from 2x being the "canon" stomp gap in DB as a whole.

Lads vaporizing dudes from a 2x is a tad wacky tho, but we know ki attacks can spike in PL so whatever.
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Yeah, Buu saga kinda sucks, I'm glad we agree

Anyway, y'all might want to take a look at this, since it directly affects the scaling of this thread.
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The MUCH NEEDED Super Saiyan Multiplier Revision

Hey, so getting multipliers via scaling as opposed to using the stated ones is kind of dogshit, how about we change that and bring examples on how that could lead to some very big problems? Oh and, "SOB SOB, WHY IS EVERYTHING COLOR CODED?" LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE SH- This revision has been...
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Chariot190 said:
Fiction aint gonna be 100% consistent.
But still stands, DB outright says 2x = stomp, so that's kinda that, and we have many examples to demonstrate that.

The Buu example is insane, given SSJ3 is well over 100x, so yeah, you're right he SHOULD have punked Gotenks, but he didnt because manga and dont think to hard about it. That doesnt quite detract from 2x being the "canon" stomp gap in DB as a whole.

Lads vaporizing dudes from a 2x is a tad wacky tho, but we know ki attacks can spike in PL so whatever.
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I had no idea you liked db lol
 
I was tagged but I'm pretty sure it's known I don't have much free time. Can someone tell me what currently needs evaluating, like has anything changed from the OP?
 
noninho said:
I updated @Ednaxel2 's blog, grammatically (Mostly was adding "at least" to stuff), with his authorization. Here it is.
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Just some things that need to be altered:
  • Post-Muscle Tower Goku defeats General Blue who survived a plane crash - 3.72 Tons (Large Building level)
  • Post-Korin Training Goku became 2x stronger, is comparable to Grandpa Gohan - at least 7.44 Tons (Large Building level+)
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He shouldn't have an at least rating, he doesn't become over 2x he just is 2x, we know the numerical difference. The same applies to Kaio-ken x10 Namek Saga Goku, Second form Frieza, Calm Namek/Frieza Saga Gohan.

The rest of these will just by typos:
  • Base Gohan should be stronger than his Frieza Saga self - at least 407.570429732 Ronnatons (Dwarf Star level)
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Base Future Gohan
  • Piccolo after fusing with Kami surpasses Goku and Vegeta, and match Android 17 - at least 40.7570429732 Quettatons (Small Star level)

Cell Saga​

  • Imperfect Cell after absorbing more people is superior to Piccolo (after fused with Kami) and Android 17 - 40.7570429732 Quettatons (Small Star level)
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Cell should have an at least rating here
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Change "At least" in these to "at least"
 
Also now that the SSJ2/3 multipliers have been accepted, and Grade 3 has been axed, the results have to fit with the blog
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Second form Frieza
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This guy doesnt have an at least, you might be confused with this
•Second Form Frieza is 2x stronger than his First Form - 407.570429732 Ronnatons (Dwarf Star level)
•Piccolo (after fusing with Nail) and (Mad) Gohan are comparable to Second Form Frieza - at least 407.570429732 Ronnatons (Dwarf Star level)
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The rest was corrected, I apologize for them going through my revision.

Ednaxel2 said:
Also now that the SSJ2/3 multipliers have been accepted, and Grade 3 has been axed, the results have to fit with the blog
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I don't have the time to go through the entire thread rn, help me:
The ssj 2&3 multipliers are the ones in OP? What is the multiplier for Grade 3 (I just saw that it became a pretty heated discussion)?
 
The Multipliers for SSJ2/3 are accepted while Grade 3 was axed, so the entire part of the scaling chain that depends on them has to be accommodated to those changes now.
 
noninho said:
Truly sorry for the ignorance, but what does this mean?
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10x goes buh bye. In return, 2x ssj2 and 4x ssj3 becomes usable.

So ig Cell Saga dudes get nerfed, Buu and beyond get a buff?
 
Spinoirr said:
Huh old King Piccolo is two times stronger in your blog
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yea because of him using half his power against an already moon level Goku. Forgot about this entirely before. Another change I did was make Namek Saga Goku downscale from First Form Frieza by 6x instead of 10x, since a Kaio-ken x6 would place him above First Form Frieza anyways
 
Ednaxel2 said:
yea because of him using half his power against an already moon level Goku. Forgot about this entirely before. Another change I did was make Namek Saga Goku downscale from First Form Frieza by 6x instead of 10x, since a Kaio-ken x6 would place him above First Form Frieza anyways
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It was ultimately decided in a thread that Namek Goku would scale to 1/10th of First Form Frieza instead of 1/6th. This isn't something you can change since it was voted in a thread.
 
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