Dragon Ball Z Anime Power Scaling

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Didn't Null just said the movie's continuity is different from the anime?

I guess, I'm not really sure about that though. Maybe if Null is more knowledgable about movie stuff he could help you with a movie blog, but if you only use the anime, then you'd need to remove movie scaling from the blog

 

[LordTracer]

Can you explain to me why Goku scales to Slug and Turles then?

Because basically every thread to remove the movie scaling went nowhere and was never applied.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

This is the thread where the removal was agreed. However, like most massive Dragon Ball revisions that are not related to Super, the changes were never applied, because nobody cares enough to apply them.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dropping-dbz-movie-scaling-for-toei-goku.115856/

 

[Vizer04]

Oh, now i understand. My apologies, i'll try to fix the scaling when i have time.

 

[Vizer04]

I fixed the scaling, now the movie scaling is gone

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Why Frieza Saga KK4 Goku scale to the same Base Goku that kept up with Pikkon? As you may remember, Pikkon one-shotted Super Perfect Cell and on par with SSJKK Goku

If that Base Goku kept up with Pikkon, then he should only scale in his Buu Saga key


Also, Meta-Cooler is from the movie, and that movie has different scalings than in the show

 

[Vizer04]

Why Frieza Saga KK4 Goku scale to the same Base Goku that kept up with Pikkon? As you may remember, Pikkon one-shotted Super Perfect Cell and on par with SSJKK Goku

If that Base Goku kept up with Pikkon, then he should only scale in his Buu Saga key

Pikkon could lower his speed to allow Goku to keep up

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Pikkon could lower his speed to allow Goku to keep up

Do you have proof that this is the case? After all, Goku trained for 7 years in the afterlife and the feat was done pretty late into that time skip iirc

 

[Vizer04]

The feat was done before the 7 year time skip tho...

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[ByAsura]

Bardock and Goku don’t have even the remotest scaling. It‘s one of many non-sense things added to that profile. But, Goku is still in the same overall league as King Vegeta, since even Kaioken x2 alone is vastly more powerful than him.

Cooler Goku is much stronger than Namek Goku, since the film would have to take place during the Android Saga training.

I can’t see anything else that I have problems with.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Bardock and Goku don’t have even the remotest scaling. It‘s one of many non-sense things added to that profile. But, Goku is still in the same overall league as King Vegeta, since even Kaioken x2 alone is vastly more powerful than him.

The scaling is that Goku's PL of 8,000 is relatively close to King Vegeta's PL of 10,000, and King Vegeta did his feat casually, so that wasn't even close to his full power

The scaling isn't directly from Goku to Bardock

 

[ByAsura]

I guess I misunderstood that bit of the blog. My mistake.

 

[Vizer04]

Cooler Goku is much stronger than Namek Goku, since the film would have to take place during the Android Saga training.

We don't know how much stronger (and the movie scaling was rejected btw)

 

[ByAsura]

Stronger than Yaradrat Goku, who’s capable of killing Mecha Frieza and King Cold. Either way, they should not be treated as one key.

It’s still in the blog, and null said that we still use the first Cooler film. It’s also on the daizenshuu timeline, which almost all the other movies aren’t.

 

[Vizer04]

Stronger than Yaradrat Goku, who’s capable of killing Mecha Frieza and King Cold.

Still, that doesn't make Goku or Cooler any stronger

 

[ByAsura]

Yes it does. Goku heavily struggled against Frieza before his power waned.

Also, Cooler is explicitly stronger than Frieza. Yet Goku destroyed him very, very easily.

Plus, he did get stronger from Yaradrat and his Android Saga training.

What you’re saying makes no sense.

 

[Vizer04]

Yes it does. Goku heavily struggled against Frieza before his power waned.

Also, Cooler is explicitly stronger than Frieza. Yet Goku destroyed him very, very easily.

Plus, he did get stronger from Yaradrat and his Android Saga training.

What you’re saying makes no sense.

Then what do you suggest i should do?

 

[ByAsura]

Just make a Yaradrat/Android Saga key like the manga profiles have.

 

[Vizer04]

100% Frieza is > 6.2 Foe and 43.8 quadrillion FTL

5th Form Cooler is stronger than Frieza, so > 6.2 Foe and 43.8 quadrillion FTL

SSJ Goku is more than a match for them and 50x base, so > 7.75 Foe and 54.75 quadrillion FTL

 

[ByAsura]

I’ve seen it. What do you mean by that? How does it change what I said?

 

[Vizer04]

I already said Cooler is stronger than Frieza and that Goku is stronger than both

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I already said Cooler is stronger than Frieza and that Goku is stronger than both

Cooler would actually be > Mecha Frieza, who is > Frieza Saga SSJ Goku

 

[ByAsura]

And I’m saying that the Goku who overwhelmed Frieza was not even close to the Goku that overpowered Cooler.

That Goku should be a separate key entitled post-Yaradrat, like we have for the manga.

 

[Vizer04]

Alright, i'll edit the blog again -_-

 

[Vizer04]

Cooler would actually be > Mecha Frieza

Why?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Becuase Frieza's strongest form in Z is Mecha Frieza

 

[ByAsura]

Would Cooler even be referring to Mecha Frieza, or know exactly how strong he is?

 

[Vizer04]

Would Cooler even be referring to Mecha Frieza, or know exactly how strong he is?

This, Cooler didn't know about Mecha Frieza and how strong he was

 

[Vizer04]

Alright, i'll edit the blog again -_-

Done

 

[ByAsura]

Outstanding

 

[Vizer04]

I can’t see anything else that I have problems with.

Can you unlock these profiles so i can add the changes please:

Son Goku (Toei)

Turles

Lord Slug

Ledgic

General Rildo

Baby (Dragon Ball GT)

Super 17

Nuova Shenron

Syn Shenron

 

[ByAsura]

I’m not on computer, unfortunately. And I probably won’t be able to do it tomorrow.

@AKM sama Could you handle this?

 

[Vizer04]

I’m not on computer, unfortunately. And I probably won’t be able to do it tomorrow.

Understandable, thank you anyway :3

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

I unlocked the pages, but what has been accepted to be applied here exactly?

 

[Vizer04]

what has been accepted to be applied here exactly?

This

 

[Vizer04]

Ant, I edited the profiles. Now i just have to add the blog to the verse page.

 

[RethPo]

Can i just ask why cooler and turles is considered part of the anime still? Ive seen linked here an entire video on it and turles has serious inconsistencies with the anime timeline at all and the same for at least meta cooler (8:10 and 18:15). Unless theyre referenced in the anime?