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Broly's only behind Mewtwo and Spirited Away in best selling anime movies here in America. Good job, you LSSJ.
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 74: Broly Hype is unstoppable
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Makes sense considering that Vegeta is probably spending most of his time raising Bra.
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Also this would be a downgrade Base Broly and initial Wrath Broly.
Base Broly is now only above Post-2nd UIS SS1 which means his win against Future Trunks Saga Vegito should now be removed since he would get AP stomped.
Wrath Broly is now initially a lower end of Low 2-C for being comparable to Post-UI SS1 Goku who is much stronger than his Base form which was shown to be able to hold his own against Wrath Broly somewhat better than SSG Vegeta did. After he adapts to Post-UI SSG Goku Wrath Broly will be slightly weaker than Post-UI SSB Goku.
Base Broly is now only above Post-2nd UIS SS1 which means his win against Future Trunks Saga Vegito should now be removed since he would get AP stomped.
Wrath Broly is now initially a lower end of Low 2-C for being comparable to Post-UI SS1 Goku who is much stronger than his Base form which was shown to be able to hold his own against Wrath Broly somewhat better than SSG Vegeta did. After he adapts to Post-UI SSG Goku Wrath Broly will be slightly weaker than Post-UI SSB Goku.
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The real cal howard said:
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Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.
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He actively denied training to get stronger to be there for Bra's birth.Dragomer said:
He's taking parenting very seriously now.
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What he denied was going to the tournament since his wife was about to give birth, if his final atonement didn't make him pass that much time with his family, i doubt Bra being born would change anything, hell, Bulma clearly is still the one taking care of Bra since she is the one who ask Beerus to babysit her.Warren Valion said:
Him showing he is willing to do the bar minimum (being there for the birth) doesn't mean he is taking parenting seriously enough to let Goku pass him in power, especialy when we saw Goku pass more time with Goten in time of piece than we saw Vegeta with Trunks, unless Vegeta really favorise Bra as all hell.
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To think that Dragon Ball Evolution had a budget of $30 million and Broly, $8.5 million. That settles it. Animes shouldn't be adapted to live action. 2D animation needs to make a comeback in mainstream. Take notes Alita.
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Well I'll be damned. I was right.Peter1129 said:
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Pretty sure the ToP had Goku stating that SSJG isn't as strong as it originally was, now focusing on speed or something.
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In the ToP when he saved Hit. Whis said SSG is faster than super Saiyan and consumes less stamina than blue. But it's pretty clear that SSG is also far more powerful than his non god forms. As he managed to make casual Jiren use a finger to block his attacks when his SS2 form can only slightly tilt his head.
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Base Goku didn't really do anything other than getting beat up and avoiding Broly's attacks like ssg Vegeta did.
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I mean Base Goku actually traded blows with Wrath Broly head on and made him block some of his attacks. He also tanked a few punches from Wrath Broly without guarding. And in both the movie and the light novel SSG Vegeta had to dodge and block Wrath Broly's. And he only attacks when Wrath Broly left himself wide open. Although in the end even an off guard attack didn't do a thing to Wrath Broly.
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That is... A massive stretch. Just because Jiren literally blocked with only a finger does not mean that the gap between SSJ2 Goku and SSJG is still huge.
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The novel also does state that his power was constantly erupting as he faced Goku.
"As Broly's fight became fixated on Goku, he lets out some deep growls. Rather than that being a sign of his burning fighting spirit, it seemed more like he was in pain due to his power constantly erupting "
"As Broly's fight became fixated on Goku, he lets out some deep growls. Rather than that being a sign of his burning fighting spirit, it seemed more like he was in pain due to his power constantly erupting "
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It's also shown to be huge during the fight with Kale and Caulifla. As well as in the movie with Vegeta and Broly.
At the time when he was still SS2 he was getting beat up by LSS2 Kale and SS2 Caulifla but the moment he turned SSG he completely no sold a Ki blast from LSS2 Kale and destroyed her Ki blast with a tiny Ki ball of his.
Vegeta also thought it was a bad idea to let Broly adapt so he decided to go straight to SSG so it became impossible for Broly (who has already adapted to SS1 Vegeta) to quickly adapt to Vegeta during their fight because the gap was too big.
At the time when he was still SS2 he was getting beat up by LSS2 Kale and SS2 Caulifla but the moment he turned SSG he completely no sold a Ki blast from LSS2 Kale and destroyed her Ki blast with a tiny Ki ball of his.
Vegeta also thought it was a bad idea to let Broly adapt so he decided to go straight to SSG so it became impossible for Broly (who has already adapted to SS1 Vegeta) to quickly adapt to Vegeta during their fight because the gap was too big.
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@Peter Yeah, that gap still isn't really huge, espically no where near BoG.
@Jobbo, is the novel the original script?
@Jobbo, is the novel the original script?
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It's still shown to be really big though. And I don't think we have any confirmation on SSG getting weaker after BoG. All we know is that it's much stronger than his normal super saiyan forms.
Not sure if it's the original script but the novel does give more insight on what happened in some parts of the movie.
Not sure if it's the original script but the novel does give more insight on what happened in some parts of the movie.
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@Peter
I think saying that ssg is the same multiplyer as before is REALLY stretching it.
I think saying that ssg is the same multiplyer as before is REALLY stretching it.
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I never said that though. All I said is that I don't think we have confirmation it got weaker but we know that it's still ridiculously more powerful than his normal super saiyan forms.
Edit: Okay now that I reread my posts yeah I could see why it sounded like that.
Anyways ignore what I said before. I agree that the current SSG form shouldn't be as powerful as it was when it first appeared since he already absorbed the power of SSG into his base form. But it should still be far more powerful than his normal super saiyan forms.
Edit: Okay now that I reread my posts yeah I could see why it sounded like that.
Anyways ignore what I said before. I agree that the current SSG form shouldn't be as powerful as it was when it first appeared since he already absorbed the power of SSG into his base form. But it should still be far more powerful than his normal super saiyan forms.
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.... Okay then. Why do people think the statement Broly is the strongest in existence by Frieza refers to The Angels and therefore shouldn't be considered ?
Not only is that assuming way too much ( Frieza knows the power of the Angels & GoD, him knowing how to sense God KI when there is no statement indicating such , and implying he's stronger than them period. )
And if SSJ Broly >>> Golden Frieza >>> SSB Goku (Broly Movie) who was stated to be UIO 3rd Level. That would mean he would be at UIO 3rd level bare minimum.
Not accounting Fusion Multipliers ( Gogeta's base would be 50x stronger Ethan SSB Goku and Vegeta combined ) then add in the fact that Super Saiyan is used... There is no way he wouldn't be at least comparable to Jiren.
Not only is that assuming way too much ( Frieza knows the power of the Angels & GoD, him knowing how to sense God KI when there is no statement indicating such , and implying he's stronger than them period. )
And if SSJ Broly >>> Golden Frieza >>> SSB Goku (Broly Movie) who was stated to be UIO 3rd Level. That would mean he would be at UIO 3rd level bare minimum.
Not accounting Fusion Multipliers ( Gogeta's base would be 50x stronger Ethan SSB Goku and Vegeta combined ) then add in the fact that Super Saiyan is used... There is no way he wouldn't be at least comparable to Jiren.
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He never fought the Angels or the GoDs.
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Are people making such a claim?The 2nd Existential Seed said:
That's ridiculous
Frieza can't sense God Ki, and he (nor us for that matter) know the true full strength of the any of the angels, nor their hierarchy of Power barring the Grand Priest being superior to all of them. The strongest being that he was able to sense is Jiren.
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I see... Makes it far more reasonable since he and 17 were around and I'm 100% certain he could feel his Ki.
I know. I believe I mentioned it. In the second paragraph I said We'd have to assume that Frieza fought them or could sense their KI.... Which neither happened or was implied he could do respectively.
I know. I believe I mentioned it. In the second paragraph I said We'd have to assume that Frieza fought them or could sense their KI.... Which neither happened or was implied he could do respectively.
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Here's some of the translations from the dragon ball super novel. https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/dragon-ball-super-broly-novel-translations.1158464/
And here's the Vegeta vs Broly translation post MShadows made https://www.narutoforums.org/posts/59645590/
And here's the Vegeta vs Broly translation post MShadows made https://www.narutoforums.org/posts/59645590/
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Found the dimension thing, could potentially be used as justification for Low 2-C SSG Vegeta.
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Post-Limit Break Vegeta scales to Post-2nd UIS Goku who is only Low 2-C with SSB and SSBKK. SSG and below are 3-A. Though I won't deny that Post-2nd UIS SSG could potentially be Low 2-C as well due to them being really far above baseline Low 2-C if we don't low ball specific characters.
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Post 2nd-UIS SSB Goku was able to force Jiren to use a hint of his true power and Jiren was already Low 2-C while heavily suppressed. As long as SSG Vegeta isn't colossally inferior to that Goku he should be Low 2-C as well. There's also the fact that Goku and Vegeta are stronger than they were at the tournament.
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I know that's basically why Post-2nd UIS SSB Goku is Low 2-C in the first place. He managed to make Jiren use more energy than he did against the First UIS. But SSG doesn't have any proof of being stronger than the First UIS. We know Goku and Vegeta got stronger but we don't know how much stronger they got since we don't have a character from the previous arc like Hit to compare them to. Which is why for now we can only say Broly Saga Vegeta is slightly stronger than Post-2nd UIS Goku. And Broly Saga Goku is vastly above Vegeta.
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