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That's not maximum highball, but it is pretty highball.
That being said, that quora link is pretty cringe.
That being said, that quora link is pretty cringe.
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I think low 1C a good argument can be achieved, it is not necessary with reality, fiction, but with other things beyond that, if it is a strawLost me when he said Xeno Goku was "at least" baseline Complex Multiversal. That's like, his peak, with maximum highballing
Since when?Omfg “beats worlds” is just the far future version of dragon ball.
Let's milk the most out of this 2-C upgrade.Compile the arguments, make a draft, create it and lets see. The arguments are compelling.
I̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶l̶o̶o̶p̶h̶o̶l̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶i̶k̶i̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶2̶-̶C̶ ̶m̶a̶c̶r̶o̶c̶o̶s̶m̶ ̶r̶e̶j̶e̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶How did that 2-C crt get accepted? UIO has several statements that he's below the god's of destruction. UIO 2 has the narrator state that he's trying to approach the realm of the gods and UIO 3 is confirmed to be weaker. The show had Vegeta make a speech cheering Goku to "Trespass into the domain of the Gods" by turning into Mui. UIO > 3 Gods of destruction is laughable.
If shaking the world of void makes you superior than 3 gods of destruction that we have no proof were going all out then that would make Jiren's entire status nothing special. God Toppo, SSBE Vegeta, and Kefla at the very least would be much stronger than a God of Destruction. Toppo's hakai feat itself outclasses all the others feats in the tournament and surpasses MUI and limit breaker Jiren with this logic.
Also has has anyone ever defined why two gods of destruction fighting would mean the destruction of their universes. Is it because of power, hakai, or their status as gods of destruction. Because in power MUI Goku and Jiren never shook the world of void from what I remember. God Toppo with both the power level of a GoD and hakai did not threaten the WoV by clashing fists with Vegeta. By peoples arguments Toppo who is a GoD should not have Ki control for some reason. None of the GoDs can control their power apparently. Beerus saying that Toppo's control over his power was still that of a novice didn't happen.
Just scale other GoDs to 2-C or none.This whole 2-C scaling in general would be a lot simpler if someone actually explained how powers clashing against each other were assumed to be inexplicably creating combined amalgams of power when it blatantly wouldn't be and doesn't seem to be the case. Beerus and Champas' feat should scale to both of them individually unless we believe they were gonna do a Twin Cataclysmic Orb and try and destroy the universe with that one attack or some other nonsensical headcanon scenario like that, because a clash doesn't justify the division.
They do?Does someone have good images of the namekian dragonballs flying to earth during the Goku vs Freeza fight?
When I read those chapters I recall then reaching in earth in less than 2 minutes which would make them millions to trillions of times FTL depending on nameks distance to earth
People could also argue about acceleration of the Dragon Balls although that part's been debunked by many for quite a long while now. Still something to keep in mind tho.I’m asking also because it might just scale to Freeza himself as he was able to perceive them moving before they flew into space, actual combat speed scaling would be for anyone that could blitz characters on 100% Freezas level before they could perceive what happened ie: Súper Vegeta smacking Imperfect Cell
Does someone have good images of the namekian dragonballs flying to earth during the Goku vs Freeza fight?
When I read those chapters I recall then reaching in earth in less than 2 minutes which would make them millions to trillions of times FTL depending on nameks distance to earth
I’m asking also because it might just scale to Freeza himself as he was able to perceive them moving before they flew into space, actual combat speed scaling would be for anyone that could blitz characters on 100% Freezas level before they could perceive what happened ie: Súper Vegeta smacking Imperfect Cell
Technically it would be a reaction speed feat given that Frieza was able to move his head when he saw the Dragon Balls charging at him. Perception feats are reliant on timeframes, reaction speeds could be determined by how much Frieza moved his head compared to the speeding Dragon Balls.
Yes, Goku and Frieza react to the Dragon Balls flying off, although this is only a perception speed feat, they don't dodge or outspeed then in movement them in any way.
Again, perception speed is solely timeframe now. But ye, I think it could work as a baseline.Basically like how the human eye can perceive speeds hundreds of times faster than one can actually move. So this feat should only be scaled to the first character to be confirmed FTE to an SSJ Goku/FP Frieza tier fighter, which (I think?) would be literally Perfect Cell?
Oh, okay, I see, thanks for clarifying. As for a timeframe, the only quantified value was 2 minutes to 3 minutes (at most):Technically it would be a reaction speed feat given that Frieza was able to move his head when he saw the Dragon Balls charging at him. Perception feats are reliant on timeframes, reaction speeds could be determined by how much Frieza moved his head compared to the speeding Dragon Balls.
Again, perception speed is solely timeframe now. But ye, I think it could work as a baseline.
I think Freeza in the next panel before the DBs disappear from his view slightly raises his hand, compared to when we see him initially,Technically it would be a reaction speed feat given that Frieza was able to move his head when he saw the Dragon Balls charging at him. Perception feats are reliant on timeframes, reaction speeds could be determined by how much Frieza moved his head compared to the speeding Dragon Balls.
Again, perception speed is solely timeframe now. But ye, I think it could work as a baseline.
As I said, if you want to scale them to the DB's speed I won't object, I was just pointing out that Perfect Cell is the first character that is the most conclusively and concretely due to being moving FTE to Cell Saga SSJ tiers.I think Freeza in the next panel before the DBs disappear from his view slightly raises his hand, compared to when we see him initially,
comparatively he is probably several thousands of times slower than the Dragon balls themselves but IIRC namek Is on a different universe quadrant so you may still end up with a substantial speed upgrade in the millions of C range.
Speaking of not mentioned speed feats here, there's also the Ginyu Force showcasing faster travel speed than their space pods. Shouldn't this be an FTL speed feat as well?Well, I do agree with the sentiment that only top dog cell saga characters would most reliably scale to a significant fraction of this assuming it’s legit and all variables are accounted for, but I’m certainly not the one calcing it, I just intended to bring this potential feat to the limelight.
Didn't that get outdated because it didn't have the Other World and then it got replaced?This map shows namek to be nearly an universal radius away from earth
Multiverse
The Multiverse,[1], also known as Dragon Ball multiverse or the Dragon Ball world, is the chain of universes within the Dragon Ball series. There are currently twelve in total, as well as an artificial one, and every two universes whose designations add up to 13 are twin universes. Each universe...dragonball.fandom.com
Sorry about that, but yeah I meant the Realm of the Kais.Otherworld is there, I think you mean the Kaioshin Realm. The Universe and Otherworld part haven't changed in depiction but just by observing the position of the planets in Otherworld and other funny things like the distance between Snakeway and the edge of Otherworld being smaller than it's 1 million KM outreach from the center of Otherworld, the landmarks clearly aren't to scale or accurately depicted in terms of distance between each other and shouldn't be used.
I think the calc should preferably be updated with the 2-3 minute timeframe ends, and Proxima Centauri B to Earth distance (AFAIK the "Out of my Territory" thing from King Kai is anime-only). No other ends make sense to use here in the face of new evidence.I already calculated the namek feat but it was rejected because people objected to Goku and freeza reacting to it.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...eZ/Namek_Dragon_Balls_fly_from_Namek_to_Earth
Did you read why I chose the 2 minute time frame?I think the calc should preferably be updated with the 2-3 minute timeframe ends, and Proxima Centauri B to Earth distance (AFAIK the "Out of my Territory" thing from King Kai is anime-only). No other ends make sense to use here in the face of new evidence.
Worst case scenario this applies exclusively to Android Saga/Cell Saga peeps because AFAIK Trunks is the first person to be capable of blitzing Frieza even when in the direct line of sight.
The time frame is objectively less than 2 minutes. I used two minutes as a low ball.In Dragon Ball chapter 324, right after the dragon balls leave to Namek, Freeza states that the planet started to collapse and estimates that only 2 minutes remain before it explodes. In Dragon Ball chapter 327, we see the dragon balls reach Earth, right after that, it cuts to Freeza who states that planet Namek is moments away from exploding.
AKM reverted all the changes doneguys, why is whis not straight up 2-C?
why is he only likely?
yeah i know that, just asking why is he likely 2-C because i'm pretty sure there is a crt to get rid of the likelyAKM reverted all the changes done
Whups. Didn't see that.Did you read why I chose the 2 minute time frame?
Bruh.The time frame is objectively less than 2 minutes. I used two minutes as a low ball.
That distance is chosen completely arbitrarily and with no basis whatsoever. I got the distance using two canon sources for two ends, Bulma's time frame and the speed of the space ship that could travel to jupiter instantly.
The hilarious part is that the distance I got for both methods is almost exactly the same as the distance from earth to proxima centauri. The difference is a mere 1.73x less than earth to proxima for the first method.
Method 2's results range from 1.03x (which is literally the exact same distance) in the low end and 20x in the high end.
Becouse a big brain said Angels "Lack feats"yeah i know that, just asking why is he likely 2-C because i'm pretty sure there is a crt to get rid of the likely
Yeah. I agree with you.So If whis alone stopped beerus and champa clashing he would be straight up 2-C, right?