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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Killerdrone123 said:
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Now that you mentioned power of friendship, I remember that a long time ago there was accepted a page for Power of Love, which scaled to Ribrianne gang and A18, what happened with it?
 
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Gogeta. I guess.

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RedReaper said:
To be FAIR, energy sharing in Toei Continuity gives you an ENORMOUS buff in comparison to your standard power. Like, if I had 5 energy, and then an identical copy of me had only 5 energy, but it was all from someone else, it would be worth an absurdly larger power value of 1000 or something. So SSJ Goku beating Broly with the Energy of the Z-Fighters, while striking him in his gut in the same area he was stabbed as a child, WHILE Broly already claimed his power was so overflowing he needed to release his power to survive before he like, blew the **** up, makes total sense.

And Second Coming Gohan also didn't stop training, so he's at least as strong, if not stronger, than his Cell Saga self and still lost, so that also isn't much of an issue because we genuinely couldn't guess the power they had in that film (same with Goku). Bio-Broly has no excuse, though.
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Second Coming Gohan is the same as Buu Saga Gohan Toei, he stopped training, it's just that by his rematch with Broly he had Super Saiyan 2 which he didn't have in the fight 7 years ago.
 
BlastX said:
Second Coming Gohan is the same as Buu Saga Gohan Toei, he stopped training, it's just that by his rematch with Broly he had Super Saiyan 2 which he didn't have in the fight 7 years ago.
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I know that’s how the continuity shakes out, (and that when we count the non-canon films we overlook their contradictory natures), but given this is unrelated to on-site powerscaling: Gohan specifically states he has powered up considerably since his fight in the previous Broly film. Specifically implying he trained in the 7 year gap, which then implies he expected his Base form to do significant damage on Broly (based on the strength/information he had on him) 7 years ago. Allegedly, Koyama backs this up in a tweet, (saying that due to Production Time they hadn’t accounted for the narrative change on Gohan’s strength), but I’ve never found a source for this—Ever.
 
Sparkive said:
Which ones? I imagine it's probably from the specials/movies, but still
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Frieza's multi-star feat, broly and probably garlic jr. Buu was also stated to be capable of destroying galaxies
Sparkive said:
(just in case, I don't believe in any kind of Scaling from Abriged Goku to Abriged Broly)
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He was able to tank a full beating from Broly so he should scale to him (or at least have an "at most" rating for that)
 
Nullflowerblush said:
how do yall feel about ssj gohan hypothetically scaling around super perfect cell tier at full power
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I feel totally fine with it. It's implied several times that SSJ Gohan > SSJ Goku, and he even thinks Cell MUST be holding back more because of the comparison in power he drew between himself and Cell. And while Cell ADMITTEDLY didn't use his full power until he saw SSJ2, it's heavily implied that the power he used against SSJ Goku was not insignificant, and even FURTHER, Cell implies if Goku had a Senzu Goku could have won. It's even more obvious to me given that Goku gave Cell a Bean specifically to prevent Cell from rage quitting because he felt SSJ Gohan was enough to do enough pressure to say "**** this I'm out," before Gohan actually unleashed his power.

It also assists in getting the real multiplier for SSJ2 established, which is 2x, not 10x.
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Frieza's multi-star feat,
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But that's not solar system level (and Buu's bits is post Cell, I also think it's not necessarily prural)
Ednaxel2 said:
Broly and probably garlic jr. Buu was also stated to be capable of destroying galaxies

He was able to tank a full beating from Broly so he should scale to him (or at least have an "at most" rating for that)
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I understand Broly, I just don't believe in his scaling, because from the beginning he seemed superior to everyone, when he was starting out small (he defeats Vegeta with one blow) Broly wasn't taking him seriously, he probably wasn't using his full power
Broly beat them so badly (Vegeta with one blow) that everyone would prefer to be with any other previous movie villain. Within the Abriged movie it is made clear that no one came close to him in power level.
Where the hell is Garlick Jn's feat. (I don't remember his movie well), he doesn't do anything in his episode, and the Kai version is not canon

The mention of KaioShin probably refers to Kid Buu, not Fat Buu, and unfortunately, we never see Goku SS3 being comparable to Kid Buu in the Buu Bits, only fighting Fat Buu (Also, Goku literally says that Kid Buu is stronger than him and Vegeta.)

That the series reaches Galactic levels, they do (Kid Buu, Super Buu [any Buu above this], Gohan [Possibly Gotenks], Vegetto, Broly), but Goku just... doesn't get there, never gets to scale to some galactic/multigalactic and prior to that I don't know how many multipliers are valid in the series, that is, if there are enough for it to even reach the Solar System

Depending on how it goes, we could very well just have a multi-stellar Cell in Abriged.

I can't believe we can have a serious discussion of Abriged power scaling, and I love it
 
Sparkive said:
But that's not solar system level (and Buu's bits is post Cell, I also think it's not necessarily prural)

I understand Broly, I just don't believe in his scaling, because from the beginning he seemed superior to everyone, when he was starting out small (he defeats Vegeta with one blow) Broly wasn't taking him seriously, he probably wasn't using his full power
Broly beat them so badly (Vegeta with one blow) that everyone would prefer to be with any other previous movie villain. Within the Abriged movie it is made clear that no one came close to him in power level.
Where the hell is Garlick Jn's feat. (I don't remember his movie well), he doesn't do anything in his episode, and the Kai version is not canon

The mention of KaioShin probably refers to Kid Buu, not Fat Buu, and unfortunately, we never see Goku SS3 being comparable to Kid Buu in the Buu Bits, only fighting Fat Buu (Also, Goku literally says that Kid Buu is stronger than him and Vegeta.)

That the series reaches Galactic levels, they do (Kid Buu, Super Buu [any Buu above this], Gohan [Possibly Gotenks], Vegetto, Broly), but Goku just... doesn't get there, never gets to scale to some galactic/multigalactic and prior to that I don't know how many multipliers are valid in the series, that is, if there are enough for it to even reach the Solar System

Depending on how it goes, we could very well just have a multi-stellar Cell in Abriged.

I can't believe we can have a serious discussion of Abriged power scaling, and I love it
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The great thing is that we can allow gag feats for the series, since it's literally a comedic parody.
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Yeah it's above it?
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I might be confusing myself, what is the multi-stellar feat?
Ednaxel2 said:
Also Frieza destroying planet vegeta in the anime was calced at large star with everyone scaling to solar system with later multipliers
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but you don't have multipliers (or at least not many)
It only exists up to Kaioken x4 in this canon and the best you can do with the supersayan is to scale it above the ozaru (x10)
There is no reason to misuse the word several and give it a x3 with zarbon or others,
There is no guide to find the exact multiplier of ss grade 2 and 3 only has a mention of percentages that do not even reach x2 at grade 2
You have no mention of exact percentages of Freeza except for 100%
Furthermore, the feat should be reviewed, because considering the pacing of Abriged it is even possible that they increased the speed somewhat (for example, I think that the feat of Piccolo destroying the moon happens at a higher speed than the original anime)
 
Tbf that feat feels a bit iffy. The background changes completely: not only the stars behind the planet, but also the stars at its surroundings.

Also i think i've seen that Kakarott (which iirc there was a crt to make it canon) does not show the hole at all
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Has glassman ever made a downgrade thread that's gotten rejected?
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He made a big downgrade thread for sonic the hedgehog but at best the only thing that happened were abilities getting new justifications, but nothing too big. I'm fairly certain he made a dbh downgrade thread like last year but everything was rejected too.
 
Tbh they don’t make sense with our current scaling that insists the only power up Gohan got was his SS2 and not an additional rage amp considering SS1 Gohan would’ve been more than enough to kill full power perfect cell yet we accept the later as substantially superior to him.

Its either Gohan unlocked SS2 and got 10x stronger via rage to stomp Buff Cell or Buff Cell is not 10x FP perfect cell as originally thought.

There is also downscaling since SS2 is just 100x base practically every SS2 is baseline 4-B in base now.
 
I think people don't take into account SS2 wasn't made with a 2x multiplier in mind.

It changed by the Buu saga where it does feel like a 2x multiplier once it was made a proper transformation rather than Gohan's hidden power or a 5th grade Super Saiyan
 
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