Son Goku VS Ben Tennyson (9-10-3) (INCONCLUSIVE)

[DivineAura44]

Nah.

I'd win.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Oh I forgor goku can also use his eye ki blast which is mostly invisible the same blast which he used to dig vegeta grave in namek

 

[Reiner04]

Swampfire has Sleep Manip gas that he can expell from his palms and low-high regen.
Wildvine also has sleep manip and mid regen.
Pesky Dust also has sleep manip but he has to get close which would be more dangerous than for swampfire or wildvine.

Feedback has 2-A/1-B energy absorbtion so he can nullify most of gokus ki based attacks

The Omnitrix usually scans new DNA regardless of Ben wants it to although he usually doesnt because most of the time it disables transformations briefly but thats inconsistent since there are multiple occasions of aliens being scanned very quickly and some occasions of new DNA being scanned over an entire episode but Ben would at best turn into a Saiyan Saga strength Saiyan unless Broly isnt a mutant, then he would be more like Broly.

Amphibian is similar to ghost freak in that he can go intangible, fly, he can also read minds and paralyze people. He can also turn into electricity but that is not the same as his intangibility.

Big Chill can also go intangible.

Goku has prior knowledge of Clockwork, Ghostfreak, and Toepick but speed is equalized and Goku wont know who Ben is going to use next out of all his options so its still possible to get them into the fight and hax him. Or just turn into Amphibian go intangible and transform into one of those 3. Or tank melee hits with Swampfire because of Regen and do the same thing.

Whampire has projectiles that let him fully mind control anyone it attaches it.

Gutrot could make a cloud sleep gas or some other lethal gas.

NRG is made of pure energy/radiation and heat to the point that just beating near him is deadly and has limited intangibility but gokus profile says he is highly resistant to radiation and harsh temperatures so that probably wouldn't work.

Echo-Echo can theoretically clone himself an infinite number of times or as much as he needs to. These clones are not physically synced and can die and get hurt without effecting the other clones, Ben also keeps a spare Echo-Echo clone sleeping in his car trunk just in case he dies. All these clones can also turn into individual Bens or other aliens if he wants to, and create an army of some of his most useful aliens for this scenario.

He gave his reasons on very first page, so his vote counts.

Why?

Did you read the whole thing you just sent?

 

[Reiner04]

It would be time if that happened

I simp Goku not waifus.

Considering you both were arguing in Goku's favour in beginning, do u want to vote for Goku, incon or ben?

The votes currently are Ben: 8, incon: 6

So 2 votes are deciding factor ig.

 

[AdamVhenJP]

incon FRA

 

[Robo432343]

I still vote Ben via Reiner Chan’s reasons

 

[Killerdrone123]

I still vote Ben via Reiner Chan’s reasons

Reiner voted incon

 

[Robo432343]

Reiner voted incon

I know

 

[DivineAura44]

Don't think Undylan's vote for Ben has been counted.
As for the recent votes, Robo432343 votes Ben and AdamVhenJP votes inconclusive.

 

[Reiner04]

Don't think Undylan's vote for Ben has been counted.
As for the recent votes, Robo432343 votes Ben and AdamVhenJP votes inconclusive.

What about your vote?

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

What are the wincons for both?

Feedback's energy absorbtion and goop's liquid body (along with failsafe) would protect Ben whenever Goku attacks him (feedback can absorb 1-B energy so no ki attacks will work while goop is liquid, so he will get displaced instead of getting hurt by Goku)
Also pesky dust's sleeping dust can be win coin for Benjamin
One more thing that I can of is true form NRG (he's made up of energy so punching him won't hurt him + he can also absorb ki attacks)
And if Ben's previous wincoins fail , he can simply create a timeline eating black hole (using Goku's speed and gravattack 's gravity) and then run out of timeline using clockwork

 

[TiltedFN]

ki crush GG

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

ki crush GG

Feedback can counter this (can absorb 1-B energy)

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Not really, since If It a gas, he not gonna be apphroaching that willing, he most likely gonna use a barrier so the Gas don't get to him.
Maybe.

Can you elaborate it or make it clearer?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Considering you both were arguing in Goku's favour in beginning, do u want to vote for Goku, incon or ben?

The votes currently are Ben: 8, incon: 6

So 2 votes are deciding factor ig.

If Ben goes directly to Feedback i believe Ben can win (of course, if you haven't restricted )

 

[DivineAura44]

What about your vote?

I voted for Ben, it's been counted.

 

[Fezzih_007]

feedback can absorb 1-B energy so no ki attacks will work

Not that Goku would use Ki Attack, since that would pretty much Kill Ben, but If comes to that, Goku can bend his energy attacks, or use Teleportation with Kamehameha.

 

[DivineAura44]

Not that Goku would use Ki Attack, since that would pretty much Kill Ben, but If comes to that, Goku can bend his energy attacks, or use Teleportation with Kamehameha.

He could always hold back on the amount of Ki he puts into his blast.
I also don't see why the examples you give would matter.

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Not that Goku would use Ki Attack, since that would pretty much Kill Ben, but If comes to that, Goku can bend his energy attacks, or use Teleportation with Kamehameha.

Bending energy probably won't be enough because feedback will already taking energy in with full control + even if he uses instant kamehameha then Omnitrix 's failsafe will turn him into true form of feedback (he is made of energy, so ki attack will become a part of him)
Also Goku will possibly hold back so I don't see this happening

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Because Ben does not have immortality or protection (it is mentioned in the cartoon that he cannot die, the omnitrix will defend him every time from death)

 

[Reiner04]

If Ben goes directly to Feedback i believe Ben can win (of course, if you haven't restricted )

Ben PFP + voting Ben over Goku... Betrayal has come from the trusted one I see. But either way, I just read few manga pages and it seems that Manga Goku is kind of better than Anime Goku in terms strategy, he wasn't willing to give Moro his energy easily, even when he wasn't aware how much of threat Moro can come out to be. So I don't think Feedback will be that good of wincon. Other Aliens wincon just as much as Goku wincon unless we believe that Manga Goku is dumb enough to not consider how he should fight enemies on which physical attacks won't work (he has prior knowledge), so I think its either Goku or incon. I lean towards latter.

 

[Reiner04]

Because Ben does not have immortality or protection (it is mentioned in the cartoon that he cannot die, the omnitrix will defend him every time from death)

Goku doesn't go for kill easily, he'll most likely knock him out via attacking vital points that cause him to go unconscious rather than going for kill. So Omnitrix won't be effective. He can win w/o going for kill.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Ben PFP + voting Ben over Goku... Betrayal has come from the trusted one I see. But either way, I just read few manga pages and it seems that Manga Goku is kind of better than Anime Goku in terms strategy, he wasn't willing to give Moro his energy easily, even when he wasn't aware how much of threat Moro can come out to be. So I don't think Feedback will be that good of wincon. Other Aliens wincon just as much as Goku wincon unless we believe that Manga Goku is dumb enough to not consider how he should fight enemies on which physical attacks won't work (he has prior knowledge), so I think its either Goku or incon. I lean towards latter.

It makes sense, but I don't know if Goku can finish or do enough damage for Ben to go out, all this for a crazy watch that gives immunity against death

 

[Reiner04]

Because Ben does not have immortality or protection (it is mentioned in the cartoon that he cannot die, the omnitrix will defend him every time from death)

Goku doesn't go for kill easily, he'll most likely knock him out via attacking vital points that cause him to go unconscious rather than going for kill. So Omnitrix won't be effective. He can win w/o going for kill.

 

[Fezzih_007]

He could always hold back on the amount of Ki he puts into his blast.

He really don't, like If he gonna use a energy attack, It either kill Ben or cause no demage at all. Like "ok, i gonna waste my energy just to cause little harm on him", he much as well go for meele.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Goku doesn't go for kill easily, he'll most likely knock him out via attacking vital points that cause him to go unconscious rather than going for kill. So Omnitrix won't be effective. He can win w/o going for kill.

It makes sense, i think I'll change my vote.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Goku manga FRA :3

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Goku doesn't go for kill easily, he'll most likely knock him out via attacking vital points that cause him to go unconscious rather than going for kill. So Omnitrix won't be effective. He can win w/o going for kill.

Normal ki attacks or punches will be enough to kill
So I don't think so (failsafe will still activate)

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Goku doesn't go for kill easily, he'll most likely knock him out via attacking vital points that cause him to go unconscious rather than going for kill. So Omnitrix won't be effective. He can win w/o going for kill.

In classic, omnitrix's failsafe got activated against vilgax (in very first fight) but vilgax wasn't trying to kill him

 

[Reiner04]

Goku can control his KI. He fights all kinds of guy and pipe down himself to rather their lvl. So that he won't kill.

 

[Reiner04]

That's because Vilgax was trying to forcefully take Omnitrix off which set the Failsafe on. Goku won't be taking a Omnitrix.

 

[DivineAura44]

Goku can control his KI. He fights all kinds of guy and pipe down himself to rather their lvl. So that he won't kill.

How would he know Ben's level? Is he just him? I don't see how Goku would know what amount of force to use.

 

[Reiner04]

How would he know Ben's level? Is he just him? I don't see how Goku would know what amount of force to use.

He can sense Ki passively.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Just saying it is jir like goku would give feedback his energy again and again once he she's him using his energy against him he would proceed to hit with physical or simply eye blast feed back

 

[DivineAura44]

He can sense Ki passively.

Would Ben have Ki? And if he did, would it even be that much? I don't think Ben being strong just gives him heaps of ki.

 

[Reiner04]

Would Ben have Ki? And if he did, would it even be that much? I don't think Ben being strong just gives him heaps of ki.

Verse equalization.

 

[DivineAura44]

Verse equalization.

2nd question.

 

[Reiner04]

I changed my vote to Goku tbh.

 

[Reiner04]

2nd question.

How strong someone is is defined by how much ki they have if I'm correct, more training= more ki, not to mention ben is half anodite so he would have enough mana or ki.

 

[DivineAura44]

I changed my vote to Goku tbh.

DB supporter voting Ben or Ben 10 supporter voting Goku. Who will win? (Me, I never lose )