Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[DTG499]

You know I recently started going to an MMA gym and met a lot of pro fighters and people who are currently competing in the UFC the best female grappler in the world actually goes there too. And the pretty much all of them got into professional fighting because of dragon ball z haha.

 

[Warren_Valion]

You know I recently started going to an MMA gym and met a lot of pro fighters and people who are currently competing in the UFC the best female grappler in the world actually goes there too. And the pretty much all of them got into professional fighting because of dragon ball z haha.

That's sick

 

[Warren_Valion]

Also, remember when Super vs. GT was an argued debate?

Lmao

 

[DTG499]

Keep an eye out for a girl named Talita Alencar, I saw her take down and choke out a skilled fighter that was over twice her weight. While wearing a DBZ shirt haha

 

[DTG499]

Also, remember when Super vs. GT was an argued debate?

Lmao

Oh they all hate GT

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Also, remember when Super vs. GT was an argued debate?

Lmao

Their only argument is "Super Goku isn't universal, that's an outlier".

 

[Warren_Valion]

Their only argument is "Super Goku isn't universal, that's an outlier".

Nah man, I had many a YouTube debate back in the day in which people used power levels, multipliers, and other bullshit to say that GT characters were stronger and were universal themselves.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

@Warren_Valion they used power levels for GT? At that point in time power levels would become far to unquantifiable for my liking

 

[Warren_Valion]

@Warren_Valion they used power levels for GT? At that point in time power levels would become far to unquantifiable for my liking

Multipliers of Super Saiyan forms, in addition to GT Base Goku being ~= SSJ3 Z Goku.

I remember a guy arguing that the amount of Blutz Waves that Baby Vegeta was hit to become a Golden Great Ape can be scaled off the number of Blutz's Waves used to create a moon that turned Saiyan's into Oozaru, and thus making them ten times stronger, and in the end, he got that Super Saiyan 4 Goku is like 4 million times his base form or some nonsense like that.

 

[Dust_Collector]

At long last, the rating Roshi deserves

Also weighing in on dumb DBS vs GT power debates, I remember "Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta made Beerus use 10% of his power" being used quite often as an argument for GT characters being stronger.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Wouldn't Time Power Unleashed Mechikabura have Infinite to Immeasurable Lifting Strength for absorbing and containing an entire infinite Multiverse inside of his body? Also, do we count in-game moves towards stats, 'cause several characters in DBH can create and control meteors.

 

[Roun12]

At long last, the rating Roshi deserves

 

[Warren_Valion]

At long last, the rating Roshi deserves

Also weighing in on dumb DBS vs GT power debates, I remember "Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta made Beerus use 10% of his power" being used quite often as an argument for GT characters being stronger.

Pogchamp

Oh yes, that argument.

 

[BlackeJan]

I remember on Google+ a 1v1 battle between Piccolo (GT) vs Majin Vegeta

 

[00potato]

Also not that 5-C Roshi had been done.
Imma make a match tonight and write it up as a little exercise (like Wright’s matches.)
Who wants to suggest a character?

 

[Dominodalek]

Wouldn't Time Power Unleashed Mechikabura have Infinite to Immeasurable Lifting Strength for absorbing and containing an entire infinite Multiverse inside of his body? Also, do we count in-game moves towards stats, 'cause several characters in DBH can create and control meteors.

Why would absorbing a multiverse (using a black hole no less, not his own body) count towards Lifting Strength?

I'd say that God Meteor would count for at the very least Attack Potency (particularly since the ability was adapted into both the anime and manga as well) but unless you're planning a gigantic downgrade, the characters who can use the move already scale far above it.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I'd say that God Meteor would count for at the very least Attack Potency (particularly since the ability was adapted into both the anime and manga as well) but unless you're planning a gigantic downgrade, the characters who can use the move already scale far above it.

I mean, in terms of Lifting Strength.

 

[Dominodalek]

I mean, in terms of Lifting Strength.

Maybe telekinetically, but it wouldn't qualify for physical strength because the meteor hovers above them.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Speaking of Heroes, I want to attempt to redo Time Breaker Bardock's profile.
Not only does he have Ssj4 now but according to translations from the arcade game he gets a Keysword and used it to beat Dark Broly and free the time patrol from Mechikabura's void

 

[Everything12]

What's the exact AP value of Roshi's (first) 5-C key, as the Profile doesn't link to any Calc, only a scan of the Moon Destruction?

 

[00potato]

I don’t think anyone agreed on the details of the calc.
It honestly might be 5-B.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

He's baseline.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Probably baseline then

 

[Dominodalek]

Speaking of Heroes, I want to attempt to redo Time Breaker Bardock's profile.
Not only does he have Ssj4 now but according to translations from the arcade game he gets a Keysword and used it to beat Dark Broly and free the time patrol from Mechikabura's void

It could do with having his official name, Bardock (Xeno), for a start. The Key Sword would be Optional Equipment, since he only has it for that fight. I'm well-versed in the game's many abilities, I can pick out any interesting ones Xeno Bardock/Masked Saiyan has.

Oh, and the images on the page for his Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 4 forms depict the wrong Bardock.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

@Dominodalek IIRC Bardock can summon Chronoa to stop the time of his opponent so that's one thing.
Also since we're on the topic of added abilties, I think Xeno Vegeta and Trunks can summon Shenron so they to should have wish granting like Xeno Goku

 

[Dominodalek]

@Dominodalek IIRC Bardock can summon Chronoa to stop the time of his opponent so that's one thing.
Also since we're on the topic of added abilties, I think Xeno Vegeta and Trunks can summon Shenron so they to should have wish granting like Xeno Goku

Yes, Bardock, as well as anyone in the Time Patrol (and a number of people who aren't, but none of them qualify for pages) can summon Chronoa to do that.
Everyone in the Time Patrol (except Xeno Pan) and Xeno Bardock can summon Shenron. Everyone in the Dark Empire circa. Mechikabura Revival (so Mechikabura, Towa, Dabura, Gravy, Putine, Salsa, Shroom, Demigra, Mira and Xeno King Vegeta) and Roberu can summon Dark Shenron.

 

[LordTracer]

What's the exact AP value of Roshi's (first) 5-C key, as the Profile doesn't link to any Calc, only a scan of the Moon Destruction?

It’s baseline because a lot of people had issues with the 5-B calc for it.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Also I think Xeno Bardock is not the same Bardock from Xenoverse 2.
They have a similar background of being brainwashed by Towa and turning into the Masked Saiyan but anything else is different from each other

 

[Ionliosite]

Also I think Xeno Bardock is not the same Bardock from Xenoverse 2.
They have a similar background of being brainwashed by Towa and turning into the Masked Saiyan but anything else is different from each other

You can say the same about Dabura tbh.

 

[Dominodalek]

Also I think Xeno Bardock is not the same Bardock from Xenoverse 2.
They have a similar background of being brainwashed by Towa and turning into the Masked Saiyan but anything else is different from each other

Technically there are three Xeno Bardocks - the one from Online (who doesn't have a tab, presumably because he doesn't really have anything noteworthy), the one from Xenoverse 2 and the one from composite Heroes. They're all lumped together, in the same way that the other Xenoverse characters share a page with their Heroes counterparts, because they're fundamentally the same character - just with escalating hax and increasingly large scaling chains.

Heroes Xeno Bardock mostly seems different because his story continues on much further than the other two - his time as the Masked Saiyan is pretty similar to the other Masked Saiyan storylines, just heavily truncated and with the context altered.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

@Dominodalek fair enough, well at least the events of Xenoverse 1 and 2 are part of Heroes so I guess Heroes decided to expand more on Bardock

 

[Dominodalek]

@Dominodalek fair enough, well at least the events of Xenoverse 1 and 2 are part of Heroes so I guess Heroes decided to expand more on Bardock

Oh, I should clarify that they aren't the same events, just that what happens in the events is broadly similar.

 

[LightReinh12345]

There is a small Chance that Piccolo calc could move DBZ to MFTL speed via scaling
Did they accept KKx10 Goku Pre zenkai << Base Goku Post Zenkai?!
(I believe they are easily MFTL though, at least buu Saga characters)

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Has anyone ever heard of Zenkai Battle Royale? It's an arcade game exclusive to Japan that was suppose to be ported to other countries but instead we got Battle of Z as a substitute

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Maybe telekinetically, but it wouldn't qualify for physical strength because the meteor hovers above them.

Would it count towards their physical strength if they could hold the meteor back with their energy blasts, since Ki and strength go hand and hand?

EDIT: Toei Goku is listed as having Class G Lifting Strength based off of a telekinesis feat, so it's fair game.

 

[RinneItachi]

In the Roshi image, there's a panel of some debris falling on Krillin, which was most likely from the moon that got annihilated to the point where nothing of it was visible in the sky anymore. I don't feel like it should be treated as baseline, when it's clearly not.

As for the DBS Vs. GT thing, yeah, I don't get why people argue so heavily in GT's favor. Although when it comes to the DBS manga, GT fairs a lot better.

 

[Lollipop_The_King]

Reminder that Toyo did everyone dirty in the manga.

 

[AKM sama]

In the Roshi image, there's a panel of some debris falling on Krillin, which was most likely from the moon

That could just be rubble from the destroyed building and messed up ring.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

People can tear at Super for having it's big issues, but at least Super doesn't focus on Goku every waking minute like GT does

 

[Warren_Valion]

It's Goku Time.