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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Quasar002 said:
Zeno and super shenron will get a big upgrade. When it comes to xenoverse, demigra and toki toki also go.
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In theory could Super Shenron gain 2-B since DB is a 2-B cosmology and it is stated by the highest deities in the verse that he can make any wish, which should include wiping out all of existence? The Zenos even state Super Shenron can 'do anything' and 'grant anything' and they're the literal kings of the multiverse that should have the highest level of knowledge.

And if we argue that Super Shenron could be 2-B due to that, then Zeno would have to be 2-B as well since Zeno is consistently stated to be unsurpassed by any other.

I'm not thinking an outright 2-B rating but maybe a 'possibly' 2-B rating?
 
CryoTheMayo said:
In theory could Super Shenron gain 2-B since DB is a 2-B cosmology and it is stated by the highest deities in the verse that he can make any wish, which should include wiping out all of existence? The Zenos even state Super Shenron can 'do anything' and 'grant anything' and they're the literal kings of the multiverse that should have the highest level of knowledge.

And if we argue that Super Shenron could be 2-B due to that, then Zeno would have to be 2-B as well since Zeno is consistently stated to be unsurpassed by any other.

I'm not thinking an outright 2-B rating but maybe a 'possibly' 2-B rating?
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I don’t think it’s warranted, there is a Zeno and set of Super Dragonballs for every timeline, so it’s far more likely their power only extends that far.
 
AguilaR202 said:
I don’t think it’s warranted, there is a Zeno and set of Super Dragonballs for every timeline, so it’s far more likely their power only extends that far.
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But that, in the end, is just your interpretation where you fluff it up with your own logic. All we actually know is that the Zenos, beings aware of other timelines who stand at the top of the pecking order, state that Super Shenron can do anything. And isn't that interesting? The part where two Zenos from different timelines both state Super Shenron can do anything? When they clearly are aware of other timelines? That is, it implies they believe Super Shenron can also erase other timelines. And if he can do 'anything' he can erase all timelines in existence, 2-B.

You could argue NLF but Super Shenron is quite literally stated to be a limitless being by the literal omnipotent god of the verse and his counterpart from another timeline.
 
I have always have agreed with this, in my opinion, i think zeno could wipe out all timelines if he wanted to, whis did state he could erase "everything" and we know his power can cross over into other timelines, like when future zeno erased future zamasu and was able to cross into another timeline and still got erased. Its not far fetched at all. The only reason there are multiple zenos is because he is still bound by time in terms of his existence, multiple sets of super dragon balls doesnt really debunk that in my opinion.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
In theory could Super Shenron gain 2-B since DB is a 2-B cosmology and it is stated by the highest deities in the verse that he can make any wish, which should include wiping out all of existence? The Zenos even state Super Shenron can 'do anything' and 'grant anything' and they're the literal kings of the multiverse that should have the highest level of knowledge.

And if we argue that Super Shenron could be 2-B due to that, then Zeno would have to be 2-B as well since Zeno is consistently stated to be unsurpassed by any other.

I'm not thinking an outright 2-B rating but maybe a 'possibly' 2-B rating?
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I also believe in this. But I find it impossible to render zeno and SS to 2-B without some mention that it can do something on that scale. There are also statements by shin and bills which says zeno is invincible, so i guess zeno shouldn't be affected by any hax they know. What would you give to zeno, resistance to hakai, petrification of dabura and several others. And if super shenron can do anything (daishinkan's words), I don't doubt he should scale himself with any hax from the dbs verse. At least in theory that's it, but I think it's impossible for this to happen on the wiki without a direct statement...
 
TiltedFN said:
i think those are going to be separate threads, i think we are getting dbs out of the way first, then the speed ratings. idek, there is so many things to go over
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If we only going to accept dbs than there is no point of upgrading the cosmology because logically speaking if the cosmology is somewhat greater than before than I see no problem with Z characters like cell and ect being high 3-A lmao
 
CraigTucker said:
If we only going to accept dbs than there is no point of upgrading the cosmology because logically speaking if the cosmology is somewhat greater than before than I see no problem with Z characters like cell and ect being high 3-A lmao
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maybe buu, but idk about cell tbh. But i still think we are doing toei and Z
 
TiltedFN said:
in the anime, it was stated cell was a threat to the entire universe and was stated he had infinite power multiple times. But the wiki would never accept that.
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Yet we use guidebooks like el mango cant remember, the same guide book stated cell is universal
 
Anyways regarding Cell being only solar system I disagree because the fact he said he had enough power to destroy the solar system as it just based of assumption he was all out. That's like saying because a character is at full power doesn't mean there attack his limited btw if we agree with the diazenshuu credibility they also pointed out that the solar system in the living world is actually galaxy size not just a normal solar system size anyways
 
CraigTucker said:
Anyways regarding Cell being only solar system I disagree because the fact he said he had enough power to destroy the solar system as it just based of assumption he was all out. That's like saying because a character is at full power doesn't mean there attack his limited btw if we agree with the diazenshuu credibility they also pointed out that the solar system in the living world is actually galaxy size not just a normal solar system size anyways
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i heard that there was a translation saying the solar system was IN a galactic nebula. But i have never seen the translation.
 
Doesn't the feat of being a threat to the universe if it isn't counted as tier A mean that he would've destroyed it overtime (Cell did think it was worth mentioning that he could live forever) which would mean....
 
Huesito88 said:
Doesn't the feat of being a threat to the universe if it isn't counted as tier A mean that he would've destroyed it overtime (Cell did think it was worth mentioning that he could live forever) which would mean....
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The bug man also was able to shake the universe
 
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