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Yes. With me now being mod and I agreed with it, we had solid agreement from 3 staffs.
With Firestorm's input we got 4 (although he leaned more for a likely/possibly)
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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With Firestorm's input we got 4 (although he leaned more for a likely/possibly)
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I just realized that with Syn Shenron being 2-C, then that means that SSG Shallot and Giblet would also be 2-C...
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And here I was getting excited over Shallet being possibly Low 2-C with Dragons Low 2-C thread lol.
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Can't wait to see Janemba and Moro having infinite speed hehehehe
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Yeah, with Infinite Universe being accepted, edge do not exist. Although, it'll take a note on why edge arguement is not valid on profiles ig.
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thetechmaster36
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High 3-A BoG Goku, I can accept that because the infinite universe was accepted. 3 Universes 2-C, though? I mean, you'd be a little hard-pressed to outright prove that the cosmologies are the exact same to a T.
I don't keep up anymore (because let's be real here, debating Dragon Ball is the fastest way to get brain damage on this site) so for all I know, the cosmologies are the same across all continuities, but eh
I don't keep up anymore (because let's be real here, debating Dragon Ball is the fastest way to get brain damage on this site) so for all I know, the cosmologies are the same across all continuities, but eh
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A random soldiers spouting non sense don't decide cosmology, even knowledgeable characters in ben 10 gets disregarded smh.
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Should actually be 3U 2-C bog goku, for the same reason gt has it too
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Okay cool, all my misunderstandings are understood now, thank you
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I sent some quotes there to refute this, where Moro says that there are countless/innumerable planets and Zamasu says that there are millions of planets
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This will be the main point of contention, indeed. Specially since the proof of 3U 2-C is exclusively from Toei.
By our standards, timelines can vary enough that they may not strictly scale cosmology across other timelines. Specially in DB thanks to the MWI.
thetechmaster36
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Lemme clarify; I'm not concerned with how the scaling would work. What I'm concerned about is whether or not it would be accepted that the cosmologies would scale across timelines.
Like Lephyr mentioned, MWI makes it extremely difficult to actually determine whether or not the cosmologies would be the same because any one different action that is taken results in a totally different timeline where even more events can unfold from there that could inevitably result in the cosmology changing through different means (wish granting, creation in general, splitting universes, what have you).
Am I saying this is the case for Dragon Ball 100%? No, not at all. However, the circumstances makes it super shaky.
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He didn't cross the entire universe, it was more a Very Very large section far enough away that he couldn't teleport.
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I think it was already accepted that different events doesn't equal different cosmology, even in a dbs guide the space between dimensions in gt was mentioned in a super cosmology guide, its all accepted as composite cosmology.
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Shared macrocosm was already accepted in the infinite universe thread lmao
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Not only that, it explicitly took him some time. So infinite flight speed is outright contradicted.
Infinite combat speed, on the other hand...
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I'm fairly certain the shockwaves speed argument should apply to the manga as well
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What does infinite speed have to do with time? One of the definitions for infinite speed on this site is "moving an infinite distance in finite time"
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Yeah. That's the thing. Even at full speed, he couldn't cross a finite distance in 0 time, so that's the other requirement for infinite movement speed not fulfilled. Plain as day, as solid as it gets.
thetechmaster36
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Uh it was? Mind pointing me to any specific posts that say so?
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Which is why I agree with combat speed, indeed. (That also includes short burst flight speed mid-combat, btw)
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I do not specifically understood how MWI would contradict anything regarding cosmology being same? Infact main point here is that out of all types of parallel world theory (Type 1, 2, 3, 4) Type 3 or MWI is assigned to have exact same cosmology throughout Timelines with variation in stories. Branching insures it that they were same at some point in time and to vary, there must be some cosmological event to change it (like a god like being altering all of reality and to that, just made infinite universe finite and downplayed Universe so that DBS don't scale high is ridiculous if anything), I think @Planck69 mentioned it as well, and I specifically said it in the thread where DBGT was getting accepted as alternate timeline, that if it got accepted, 2-C universe is undeniable.
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Infinite travel/flight speed for Super just seems like a big no for me so I agree. GT on the other hand...
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But on this wiki, there is 2 definitions of it: Able to travel any finite distance in zero time, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. So if db characters apply to the latter, why would time matter? For travel speed.
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He didn't travel an infinite distance. That's the point.
Only characters to truly do that are the Angels with their warp ability.
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yes i know he didn't, but what would contradict that he can't? We accept combat speed and travel speed to be the same, for dbs at least. And how does it make sense to have infinite combat speed but not infinite flight speed?
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Do you think it should apply to Pikkon and Goku's feat for Toei?
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Just to remind you that angels can also go to the future through skills or their flight, I still don't know exactly how it works.
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Immeasurable speed thread incoming lmao
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Like we say in spanish:
Yeah, they I would agree.
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Time Travel is most reasonable
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Not how we do things here. He needs explicit feats.
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Nor, I would have to explain a lot and I know basically nothing about immeasurable speed, it's hard to know because we don't have examples of it.
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lol ik im just trolling
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I'm on bro lol
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I mean i guess, its just weird to have one but not the other, with how infinity works and all. But infinite combat, reaction, and short burst speed is fine.
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