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Mainly in reference to this thread.
In short, everybody acted inappropriately. The staff just said "No" and flat out refused to even humour any reasonings for 2-A while in response, people in favour just starting blurting out insults like "You're using Dragon Ball Wiki to support your downplay".
Personally, I found the reasonings for 2-A to at least be discussion worthy; especially since there's just more and more "Infinite" and "Not-Finite" statements rising up with little debunks other than "It doesn't seem likely to me" which, last I checked, Isn't really a debunk. Now I personally can find many debunks for them but the thread is closed as of now.
My opinion on this is more apparent as the staff who just went "Nope" never actually addressed the points made by the last user, who while did act in very bad taste, had actually pretty good debunks/arguments. Like an example, people were using Time Rings to disprove infinite timelines and say that it's branching despite the Supreme Kai himself saying the Time Rings are nothing but trouble and it's complete absence in DBH as well as DBX; the main verses for this discussion.
I'm not trying to insult staff or anything, but from the messages it just oozes the notion of "Oh goddamnit I don't want to deal with this again" which while justified, doesn't mean that you can't address the more "Positive" points in their argument. "Cut out the fat" so to speak, rather than to just close the thing. I mean, at least PM or give the OP a chance to speak before closing their thread when it isn't even them who's arguing at that point.
So! In reply to Matt's last message before closure...
"False, you are blatantly lying. Timelines are created through time travel, changing the past creating new timelines, which spawn time rings indicating that. This is true for Super and Xenoverse.
The entire plot of Xenoverse is about fixing errors in the timeline brought by time travel changes. Were the multiverse already infinite that would be pointless."
Time Rings themselves aren't evidence against Xenoverse as the only ones we see are a box's worth and at best, a room's worth. In Xenoverse alone, we see an entire library at minimum full of scrolls that each contain timelines along with many countless statements to follow suit. Using the notion of Time Rings to debunk DBX statements could also be applied to the "Countless" DBX statements.
See, problem with this is, statements and events in DBX are more canon to the DBX/DBH verse than the Super continuity which is in the Canon Verse. Especially since like outlined above, Time Rings are flat out stated to be nothing but trouble for the Kais, which makes sense! Why would regular Supreme Kais have responsibility over ALL their universe's timelines when we have a full-fledged Supreme Kai of Time just twittling her thumbs?
The second line is... sort of true? The entire plot of Xenoverse is about fixing not errors in the timeline brought by time travel changes, but Time Breaker changes. Beings that aren't even supposed to exist in that timeline, which is why Chronoa is so adamant about fixing things. Why is she worried about these timelines if the timelines are infinite? My answer would be that it's literally her job to, especially since she raised Tokitoki (The bird that literally generates time). Plus we already know of beings that exist outside of timeline trying to screw with it like Demigra. The "Infinite" here doesn't encompass beings like Tokitoki since Tokitoki is sort of the thing that generates time, and Demigra apparently was one of it's caretakers along with the fact that he stayed in the Rift of Time for an extended period of "Time", a place where there's no timeline (Since it's in the space BETWEEN timelines).
Imagine for a second that we have infinite timelines. Everything that will ever occur ever, already occured ad infinium. Now add a being that flat out exists outside of these Infinite Timelines (Supported by the fact that Demigra existed in the Rift of Time for an extended period; meaning he was not subject to History or the Timelines for that period) screwing with a timeline. What'll happen? What error would this cause? We also know paradoxes are a thing due to Fu, so said Infinite Timelines are likely to just rip itself apart which is also supported by Chronoa saying time is delicate. And this event was never in said Infinite Timelines because the cause was from a being that was not subject to Time. So Infinite Timelines just turned into Infinite mangled messes of Timelines. An Infinite amount of car crashes happening at once ad infinium.
Just my two scents. Or long essay paragraphs.
In short, everybody acted inappropriately. The staff just said "No" and flat out refused to even humour any reasonings for 2-A while in response, people in favour just starting blurting out insults like "You're using Dragon Ball Wiki to support your downplay".
Personally, I found the reasonings for 2-A to at least be discussion worthy; especially since there's just more and more "Infinite" and "Not-Finite" statements rising up with little debunks other than "It doesn't seem likely to me" which, last I checked, Isn't really a debunk. Now I personally can find many debunks for them but the thread is closed as of now.
My opinion on this is more apparent as the staff who just went "Nope" never actually addressed the points made by the last user, who while did act in very bad taste, had actually pretty good debunks/arguments. Like an example, people were using Time Rings to disprove infinite timelines and say that it's branching despite the Supreme Kai himself saying the Time Rings are nothing but trouble and it's complete absence in DBH as well as DBX; the main verses for this discussion.
I'm not trying to insult staff or anything, but from the messages it just oozes the notion of "Oh goddamnit I don't want to deal with this again" which while justified, doesn't mean that you can't address the more "Positive" points in their argument. "Cut out the fat" so to speak, rather than to just close the thing. I mean, at least PM or give the OP a chance to speak before closing their thread when it isn't even them who's arguing at that point.
So! In reply to Matt's last message before closure...
"False, you are blatantly lying. Timelines are created through time travel, changing the past creating new timelines, which spawn time rings indicating that. This is true for Super and Xenoverse.
The entire plot of Xenoverse is about fixing errors in the timeline brought by time travel changes. Were the multiverse already infinite that would be pointless."
Time Rings themselves aren't evidence against Xenoverse as the only ones we see are a box's worth and at best, a room's worth. In Xenoverse alone, we see an entire library at minimum full of scrolls that each contain timelines along with many countless statements to follow suit. Using the notion of Time Rings to debunk DBX statements could also be applied to the "Countless" DBX statements.
See, problem with this is, statements and events in DBX are more canon to the DBX/DBH verse than the Super continuity which is in the Canon Verse. Especially since like outlined above, Time Rings are flat out stated to be nothing but trouble for the Kais, which makes sense! Why would regular Supreme Kais have responsibility over ALL their universe's timelines when we have a full-fledged Supreme Kai of Time just twittling her thumbs?
The second line is... sort of true? The entire plot of Xenoverse is about fixing not errors in the timeline brought by time travel changes, but Time Breaker changes. Beings that aren't even supposed to exist in that timeline, which is why Chronoa is so adamant about fixing things. Why is she worried about these timelines if the timelines are infinite? My answer would be that it's literally her job to, especially since she raised Tokitoki (The bird that literally generates time). Plus we already know of beings that exist outside of timeline trying to screw with it like Demigra. The "Infinite" here doesn't encompass beings like Tokitoki since Tokitoki is sort of the thing that generates time, and Demigra apparently was one of it's caretakers along with the fact that he stayed in the Rift of Time for an extended period of "Time", a place where there's no timeline (Since it's in the space BETWEEN timelines).
Imagine for a second that we have infinite timelines. Everything that will ever occur ever, already occured ad infinium. Now add a being that flat out exists outside of these Infinite Timelines (Supported by the fact that Demigra existed in the Rift of Time for an extended period; meaning he was not subject to History or the Timelines for that period) screwing with a timeline. What'll happen? What error would this cause? We also know paradoxes are a thing due to Fu, so said Infinite Timelines are likely to just rip itself apart which is also supported by Chronoa saying time is delicate. And this event was never in said Infinite Timelines because the cause was from a being that was not subject to Time. So Infinite Timelines just turned into Infinite mangled messes of Timelines. An Infinite amount of car crashes happening at once ad infinium.
Just my two scents. Or long essay paragraphs.
