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The UCP update:

As most of you already know, our old forum will likely be shut down later today, and the wiki updated to the UCP format.

Some features are inconvenient or not user-friendly yet, but I have talked extensively with the Fandom staff about all the problems that I have found, and they have told me that they will try to fix them gradually.

Among other things, it is not yet possible for me to follow new calculation blog post comments in a practically realistic manner via the recent changes page, as the bad organisation structure for this section would require me to sift through at least several hundred of extremely disorganised Discussions forum post every day to find the blog comments.

However, I will still try to help out with initial standard instructions for newly created blogs, as they can be viewed via another page. The organisation afterwards will require more common sense from the blog creators though, as they will have to notify calc group members via their message walls on their own, without me reminding them, if they have modified their blogs according to calc group member instructions or answered questions from them, as otherwise a large part of them will never be properly evaluated.

It is also best if you all change your user settings to use the source code editor, as it seems to have less editing problems than the alternatives, and also doesn't risk to mess up the code structure of our wiki pages.

Here is an UCP information page that is useful to read:
The Unified Community Platform


Other important issues:

In addition, all members who use a different username in the forum than in the wiki are required to tell me or AKM sama, preferably here in this discussion thread, so we can change them accordingly.

Also, we still only allow one content revision thread per verse at a time in order to avoid extreme overwork.
 
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I mean I would just stick to source editing 100% of the time anyways. Visual Editor has just always been cripplingly limited, and should be discouraged at every turn. Even if you need to, for whatever reason, edit on a mobile platform.

That said working with the UCP has been quite annoying so far with all the formatting changes. I get trying to appeal to mobile users but some of the features broken by this update, at least on the FC/OC side of things, really seems out there.
 
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I'd like to note that on FCOC a lot of things have changed since the updates were applied:
  • I don't think you recieve message wall notifications anymore, so it's best to use the messaging system on the new forum
  • The "Special:Wiki Activity" has been replaced by "Special:RecentChanges" which is vastly inferior. Here's a link to get it back from the dev wiki.
  • Images on verse pages may distort. To fix this issue, make sure that image are cropped properly, as non-cropped images will automatically adjust to appear differently.
 

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Well, the Fandom staff has at least taken all my past complaints about the UCP seriously, and are working to solve most of them, so I think that it will gradually improve over time.
 

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I have also received message wall notifications in the Tenchi Muyo wiki (which has been converted to the UCP for quite a long time).
 

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I will ask NoGround for information about this script:

 

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Yes, but it is easier said than done to handle the programming to find actual solutions to the problems.
 

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Somehow, every single aspect of the site was made worse by this update.
  • Numerous APIs were nuked
  • Rolls outside of thread managers and sysops were nuked. You can no longer identify calc team and human resource members from their user profiles.
  • Message wall history was nuked
  • Message walls don't support source code editing or rich text editing
  • The new margins and paragraph spacing makes every single profile look shitty
  • Profile pages look shittier
  • Source editor is shittier
  • Editing in general is more of a hassle and is shittier/less streamlined
  • Images take a metric fuckload of time to upload now for some reason.
  • Recent activity is an incoherent mess when it was previously very intuitive
Thank you, Ant and co. for the Forum Move. I would have seriously just left the site if the new forum wasn't made.
 
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I hate literally everything about these changes, 50% of the images can't even be seen now for some god forsaken reason

Fuck Fandom with all my heart
 
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Yeah, I had that issue although, I think it fixed itself for me shortly after.

Your image is also...missing. Irony
 
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Yeah this blows, was finishing up some final edits from a Zelda CRT and I didn't like it. Images don't seem to load properly or at least take forever to do so, and god is recent changes such a downgrade from recent wiki activity.
 
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And now to watch VSB peeps deal with whats been happening on FCOC. Grand times indeed.

 
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So, the old recent wiki activity page is gone. I sorta preferred that for my own edits, while I used the more complex recent changes page for more general searching.

Old message wall posts are gone, that's a real fucking downer, I think there were some of those I would have liked to at least screencap. (EDIT: Apparently these are still being ported over and will arrive eventually).

I can't see the list of all pages I follow/watch. That's a HUGE pain in the ass. I used that very frequently to briefly see what pages I've made or worked on.

Blog comments now only display the number of comment threads, rather than the total number of comments. That's gonna be extremely annoying. I'll no longer be able to tell if someone has replied for further evaluation/comment unless I check the comments themselves, or they make a new comment thread instead of replying. Ugh.

Not being able to identify calc group/image helpers is a shame.

It looks like we have to type in the categories [[Category:Like This]] at the bottom of the page instead of having a little box for them, which kinda sucks.

They've also removed the category intersection, another useful feature I and many others used from time to time...

I haven't had the same image problems everyone else has, everything else I've seen so far mostly strikes me as different rather than a direct downgrade.

Hope y'all enjoyed my dope UCP review.
 
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I can't really criticize the Fandom staff for whatever they wanted to do, since I don't know much about their motivations and I don't know what is needed to effectively manage such a big website. But from my perspective as an user, this whole update just looks awful.
 
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Fandom doesn't care about users, so far I haven't seen a single person who liked this absurd change. Fuck fandom.
 

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Yeah, it seems the trick to several hundred edits via sandbox edits won't be as effective anymore.
 

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All the galleries got fucked up on my profiles, now I have to edit them all, Not to mention everything is slower and has more errors and glitches... I hate Fandom so much right now
 

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I can only hope these things are just initial change errors and everything will load faster and won't give me errors everywhere, cause this shit is a travesty
 
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I also have problems with some galleries I made, the new image boxes and the spacing are terrible and I don't think there's a way to get around it.
The preview mode also is awful, since it doesn't show the tabbers
 

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Yeah, you need to crop images so that they fit image boxes correctly. Tabbers don't work in preview mode but should work fine when published
 
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Yeah, you need to crop images so that they fit image boxes correctly. Tabbers don't work in preview mode but should work fine when published
The problem isn't even that they don't fit (but I'll keep it in mind) but text is too close to the galleries and feels weird, I don't know how to properly explain it
 
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Quick information for everyone.
If you see some profiles whose images, gifs etc.. got weird, like giants, out of the borders, out of slideshows etc... you just need to click edit and then save without actually changing anything, then refresh the page and everything will return to normal in the majority of the cases.
It doesn't make any sense, but I hope it will help someone to save time if their profiles got destroyed by this new format
 

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Some hopefully helpful information:

You should all use and bookmark this page for edit-patrolling purposes:


The message wall contents will eventually completely return, but it goes slowly to convert.

If a verse page lacks images, you can click the edit button, and then click save without actually doing any changes. That should fix it.

You can all change your personal settings to use the source editor, and I would strongly suggest that you do so. You can either use the 2010 or 2017 version in this regard, but I think that the 2010 version will eventually be removed.

If you are a highly experienced member, such as Agnaa, you can contact Fandom directly with polite and constructive information and suggestions regarding bugs that you have found.


If you scream at or insult them, you will likely get blocked though, so be very careful.

Fandom has in fact already fixed or improved on various issues that I have sent them for the past 2 months or so. Just not nearly all of them, and I sent them a new bug report today containing several crucial issues.

The reason why they did this system update is that their old mediawiki software was outdated by over a decade, so they could not push this change to the future any more.
 
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Can they only be contacted for bugs, or could I contact them for feature requests? If I can contact them for feature requests, what categories should I use within that form?
 

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What kind of feature requests do you want to make?

For the time being, it seems best to focus on crucial user interface and usefulness problems though. We mainly need to be able to edit easily to properly do our work.
 
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Something akin to the old recent wiki activity page would be nice, but quite low priority.

A list of all the pages I follow/watch would be immensely appreciated. I checked that very often to see the pages I created/worked on to pick out characters for examples/matches/edits.

For blogs to display the number of total comments rather than just the number of comment threads. Right now it's the latter which makes checking for blog evaluations much more annoying. If you don't quite get what I mean, in this screenshot it shows my blog as having two comments, while it used to show it having 17 comments, as it had that many replies in two comment chains. Since calc members often leave follow-up evaluations in replies, this makes it more difficult to know when members have commented further.

There used to be a category intersection page located at this URL. It would show a list of pages that share the categories you listed. This was very useful for verse-wide revisions, i.e. you could find all the characters in a verse that are tier 1 if that rating's being changed for all of them. This will make certain revisions harder to apply, by making us more likely to miss pages that need to be changed.
 

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Never mind. It seems like the Dev wiki are likely not responsible for the Category Intersection page.

You should contact Fandom about it instead.
 

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Well, I suppose that I could contact them about the category intersection page. It would be my third UCP-related complaint message today though.
 
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Jesus fuck, the Wiki keeps degenerating by every update the Owners (whatever group that's doing this) are trying to implement.

How nice of them!!!
 

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Should we do a new News and Announcements thread to talk about the new changes? There's a number of things to criticize that need to be listed.
 

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Yeah, I feel like at least letting people know what they can do to help get around some of the issues, and/or politely requesting Fandom for some changes, will at least be beneficial imho.
 

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Well, Ant said above that he'll talk to NoGround about trying to implement it since you need Admin rights to do so. It's not a guarantee it'll work since they mention on the dev wiki that it's not working on some wikis atm.
 

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Should we do a new News and Announcements thread to talk about the new changes? There's a number of things to criticize that need to be listed.
Well, I originally intended to let this thread be the one in which we talked about the changes in question, and it is already highlighted.

Is this not enough?
 

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Anyway, I have received a reply from Fandom about the Category Intersection feature. As you can see, I need help from technically adept people to find a good replacement via the provided link.

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Hello.

It is me again.

A member of my community just informed me about that the Category Intersection tool has stopped working.


It was extremely useful when doing research for content revisions and other purposes when we needed easy lists of relevant pages for various purposes, so I would greatly appreciate if it could be activated again.

Thanks in advance for any help.

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Heya,

Unfortunately, this feature is not available on the new platform - it was very old, in eternal barely-beta, and never directly supported. Sorry about that!

However, if you find an appropriate alternative on https://www.mediawiki.org, it may be something we can look into adding in the future!

Best regards

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Well, Ant said above that he'll talk to NoGround about trying to implement it since you need Admin rights to do so. It's not a guarantee it'll work since they mention on the dev wiki that it's not working on some wikis atm.
I think that page editing and blog or message wall comments are now separate features, no matter what we do, so I do not think that it would help.

However, as I mentioned above, this link seems to give access to the same type of filtering as I personally used when patrolling edits before the UCP was implemented:

 

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If you wish, I could try to find the time to write an overview of the problems that I remember with the UCP, what Fandom has told me about them, and which ones that we can do something about on our own, but it could take a while, as I am currently extremely busy with other work.
 

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Well, it would be nice to figure what we can do as a wiki to improve things and make life easier for users, but if you're already busy, don't worry about it for now.
 

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So allow me to explain a bit.

Why did Fandom update the site to UCP?

Couple of reasons, tbh.
First is that Gamepedia and Fandom where working on different versions, and in the long run, it was not realistic or feasible to keep this.

Second is that, as Antvasima said, Fandom's version of editing software was over a decade old and could no longer be updated due to branching so far off of MediaWiki Foundation's current engine build that we needed to rewrite everything from the ground up.

Most of the style changes you are seeing are WikiMedia's current software, not Fandom's.

Almost the entire length of update time has been making sure that wikis can update to the latest version of WikiMedia's latest update with as few errors as possible. Issues will happen, but if you cannot fix them on your own please contact me. Solutions for many update hiccups already exist.

I understand your frustration, but saying "fuck Fandom" when a big reason why this new forum exists is due in part to support for this community from Fandom directly kinda hurts.

Anyway, change is rough. But our choice was either to stagnate and die or overhaul everything. Not much of a choice, to be honest.

I will continue to watch this thread for reported issues and offer solutions when I am more able (on phone now).
 
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I'm still fine with saying a bit of "Fuck Fandom". While an update of the software was unavoidable, there were many deliberate avoidable design decisions made along the way. While new software was needed instead of the Forums, a more identical replacement could have been built from the ground up rather than Discussions. Discussions did not need to become a mandatory feature that's impossible for us to disable, requiring additional moderation. Custom role displays (i.e. calc group, image helper) did not have to be removed, dev time was not allocated to implement them again. Dev time was not allocated to recreating something similar to the old recent wiki activity page. Dev time was and apparently will not be allocated to reimplementing category intersection. A design decision was made to display the number of comment threads rather than the total number of comments on blog posts, etc for the vast majority of complaints leveled here that aren't mere bugs/delays...

While things were surely done this way because of Fandom having different priorities; that is the issue. The frustration from the overarching company having priorities that differ from the community.
 

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It is possible get an approximation of the RecentActivity feature back, as I've added it onto a few wikis. It won't replace RecentChanges, but at least it will be there for people who want it.
 

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Also, it seems that there are problems with pages that are longer by not having space between the explanation on the "Techniques and Abilities" section even if in the source code there is. It's not for the entire section on some profiles (some have no space, some have a bit, some have it than normal text then again no space). At the same time, if you stay too much on the page it will give an error saying that the page can't be previewed.

When you modify the source to create the space between lines, using just one "<br>" won't work and twice using it will work but the space created will be larger than normal.

All actions on the wiki take longer than usual, all of them.
 
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Seconding what Zara and Agnaa said. Also, apologies if it was already answered, but if I got it right the old message walls will come back after a while? In all wikis affected by this change (since my message walls in other wikis of fandom also got nuked....) ?
 

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Custom role displays (i.e. calc group, image helper) did not have to be removed, dev time was not allocated to implement them again.
@AKM sama asked the Dev wiki team for help with the customised userpage tags, and they have developed an alternative that AKM implemented earlier today.
 

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It is possible get an approximation of the RecentActivity feature back, as I've added it onto a few wikis. It won't replace RecentChanges, but at least it will be there for people who want it.
Any interest in this?
 

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I'm still fine with saying a bit of "Fuck Fandom". While an update of the software was unavoidable, there were many deliberate avoidable design decisions made along the way. While new software was needed instead of the Forums, a more identical replacement could have been built from the ground up rather than Discussions. Discussions did not need to become a mandatory feature that's impossible for us to disable, requiring additional moderation. Custom role displays (i.e. calc group, image helper) did not have to be removed, dev time was not allocated to implement them again. Dev time was not allocated to recreating something similar to the old recent wiki activity page. Dev time was and apparently will not be allocated to reimplementing category intersection. A design decision was made to display the number of comment threads rather than the total number of comments on blog posts, etc for the vast majority of complaints leveled here that aren't mere bugs/delays...

While things were surely done this way because of Fandom having different priorities; that is the issue. The frustration from the overarching company having priorities that differ from the community.
Last part:
Bound to happen when community needs are different for each particular wiki. VS Battles Wiki is an extremely specific case of not being in the majority for many features.

Regarding Custom Role Displays, that was never a default feature and was always an imported custom script created by the volunteers on Developer's Wiki, which is not Staff. Meaning Fandom had nothing to do with that script not working anymore besides fixing up spaghetti code that made a lot of weird JavaScript work when it shouldn't. The extension was not removed, simply that the original script was having issues when ported over to UCP. There is a large list of scripts on this link where you can check the progress of extensions. Some of them are still being worked on and not stable.

Also, the ImportJS page needs to be recached, which was done earlier I assume when AKM Sama was working with the Devs on getting the colored roles working again.

Category Intersection is something I can't give a solid answer for, but I can guess: not utilized on 95%+ of Fandom. Hell, I have never had to use it and only just looked it up. I can see why it would be useful, but if it wasn't included and there is no possibility of it coming back, that likely means that MediaWiki removed and stopped supporting this feature.

Actually I just looked into it, and Category Intersection has long been replaced by Dynamic Page Lists (DPL) for several years now. This extension is not turned on for VS Battles, but we can consider turning it on once you guys look into it and fully understand how it works. It is a bit different, but not by much.

Regarding Wiki Activity, I can only say that while it was better in terms of visuals, in terms of actual information and processing large amounts of edits and accessing quicklinks to differences and history, it was not. It was a beginner's tool and no where near as useful as RecentChanges once you get used to it. You are welcome to add the script extension from Developer's Wiki if you want, but it has been moved from a default supported feature to a feature supported by the volunteers on Dev Wiki.

I don't have an answer for the blog posts complaint. I will bring it up with someone who is working on UI for UCP and that's the best I can do, tbh.

Regarding Discussions: I believe way back when that Discussions was added in order to increase visibility of the community so that the wiki would show up on the iOS and Android App. Removal of Discussions means removal from the App. VS Battles Wiki already has extremely poor SEO and is held aloft in part by this and now a community has developed around Discussions, so removal of it would leave a large portion of your community isolated. Whether or not you agree that they are a part of VS Battles is different from how Fandom sees it. To Fandom, both the Forums and the Discussions boards are a part of the same community, and we will not neglect Discussions. This is in part why I have been active there and making sure it is turned from the cesspool it used to be into something more coherent.

Anyway, that's all my statements regarding Agnaa's concerns.
 

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Damage3245:

I think that it would likely not be an improvement to the wiki activity section layout compared to the link that I previded above, and a Fandom staff member told me that they will try to program/create a more easily overviewed and organised layout to the social activity section.
 

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@Antvasima; as I said, it wouldn't be a replacement for what is currently there. It'd be an alternative option - like how we had the old wiki activity page.

If not though, that's fine.
 

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Actually I just looked into it, and Category Intersection has long been replaced by Dynamic Page Lists (DPL) for several years now. This extension is not turned on for VS Battles, but we can consider turning it on once you guys look into it and fully understand how it works. It is a bit different, but not by much.
This seems very useful. Should I inform Kirkburn about it in our current email correspondence, or would you be able to implement it yourself?
 

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As I said, it wouldn't be a replacement for what is currently there. It'd be an alternative option - like how we had the old wiki activity page.

If not though, that's fine.
Can you please explain how this differs from the layout of the page that I linked to earlier? I haven't had the time to investigate this issue.
 

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Damage3245:

I think that it would likely not be an improvement to the wiki activity section layout compared to the link that I previded above, and a Fandom staff member told me that they will try to program/create a more easily overviewed and organised layout to the social activity section.
Regarding Social Activity tab, I can confirm that Filters will be available down the line for this and more.

I'll look into it myself and confirm that DPL is okay to use. It can break easily so you do need to be somewhat careful with it.
 

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Listing my issues

1. The space we got to edit is beyond tiny. The useless "FANDOM GAMES MOVIES TV VIDEO WIKIS Search Start a Wiki" bar is still there, nobody uses most of the things there and it's outright insulting to always give the option to start a wiki right there all the time. Once I describe my change I don't want to see wrote there all the time until being done. The thing below also shouldn't be there. Things being under the CC-BY-SA is neat and all but that has no reason to occupy space.

2. The space to edit is even smaller than that, if you write somewhere that isn't on top of everything everything just rolls it on top. That's like when writing on a paper being always forced to grab it and lift it up at the height of your eyes, you can't see the things above if you feel like it while writing, you need to actively stop writing and see that, not to mention that to adopt a new position slows things down.

3. There're some glitches. You just can't click to write in the space between paragraphs, you need to click in the last part of the paragraph above or the first of the one below and then go down or up respectively. It also sometimes writes or deletes things in the sentence above or below the one where you are while treating it as if it was the one where you are, or something like that.

It's annoying and all, but it also saved me some work I did when I quitted the tab I was using and returned to it after a while to have it reloaded, so, you win some you lose some. But I do hope for all that to be fixed and to feel just as comfortable when editing as I was before.
 
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Can you please explain how this differs from the layout of the page that I linked to earlier? I haven't had the time to investigate this issue.

Here is an example of it in use on another wiki.

It displays whenever categories, images or templates have been added to a page. It displays a list of each individual change instead of a summary of changes per page (like 3x changes by a user, 2x changes by other user).
 
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I am well aware of vsbw's niche feature requirements compared to other wikis. I know that we deviate greatly from the usual functions, but being aware of the reason for the misses doesn't make them less of a shame. But I am glad that most of my initial concerns have been remedied or are in the process of being remedied.

irt Custom Role Displays, fair enough, and a replacement has been found and implemented.

irt Category Intersection, that Dynamic Page Lists seems like the perfect replacement for it, so good stuff there.

irt Wiki Activity, it was certainly a beginners tool. I always had used RecentChanges when I actually wanted to look through a wide swath of changes, as the compacted format helped a lot with that, but Wiki Activity was easier on the eyes for following my watched pages which tended to not need information packed as densely. As I pointed out before this ranks really low on my list of priorities (and it seems like Damage has found an adequate replacement for it).

irt Blog Comments, thanks for forwarding that.

irt Discussions. I am aware that removal of Discussions means removal from the App, but I cannot fathom any reason why that is anything but a limitation invented by Fandom. There is nothing in the iOS/Android dev guidelines that requires that type of Discussion feature to be included in apps. The community and SEO stuff is all fine and good, but in the past that was instead held up by the Forums. Yes yes, I know that the codebase was out of date, but the replacement in the new codebase did not have to be Discussions, it could have been a more fully-featured replacement that actually suited our needs as a replacement.

I obviously don't consider this expletive-worthy on my end, but I don't like seeing the narrative that the Discussions stuff is all an unavoidable consequence of going to a new codebase. It's a result of intentional decisions that had their own justifications that are misaligned with our needs. (From my guess, prioritizing mobile userbase and a design more akin to many popular and up-and-coming social media sites, rather than the more fully-featured set old and new forums have). And that's a shame.
 

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Listing my issues
1. The space we got to edit is beyond tiny. The useless "FANDOM GAMES MOVIES TV VIDEO WIKIS Search Start a Wiki" bar is still there, nobody uses most of the things there and it's outright insulting to always give the option to start a wiki right there all the time. Once I describe my change I don't want to see wrote there all the time until being done. The thing below also shouldn't be there. Things being under the CC-BY-SA is neat and all but that has no reason to occupy space.

2. The space to edit is even smaller than that, if you write somewhere that isn't on top of everything everything just roll it on top. That's like when writing on a paper being always forced to grab it and lift it up at the height of your eyes, you can't see the things above if you feel like it while writing, you need to actively stop writing and see that, not to mention that to adopt a new position slows things down.

3. There's some glitches. You just can't click to write in the space between paragraphs, you need to click in the last part of the paragraph above or the first of the one below and then go down or up respectively. It also sometimes writes or deletes things in the sentence above or below the one where you are while treating it as if it was the one where you are, or something like that.

It's annoying and all, but it also saved me some work I did when I quitted the tab I was using and returned to it after a while to have it reloaded, so, you win some you lose some. But I do hope for all that to be fixed and to feel just as comfortable when editing as I was before.
I don't know what you mean by tiny. What device are you editing on, what is the resolution, what browser? This could be many factors. I for one am having none of those issues and identifying device compatibility issues is important.

CC-BY-SA is a license that we must display because technically all content you put on Fandom falls under this license. Removal of it reduces clarity of legality of using and submitting content on Fandom, so there is definitely a reason for it to occupy space. It is Fandom covering legal bases.

Regarding issue #3, this is a known bug being worked on.

I'm also pretty sure there is a script on the Developer's Wiki that removes the top bar if you care to look for it and apply it.
 

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Damage3245:

Okay, but that seems far less inefficient if somebody wants to get a more organised overview.
 

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Damage3245:

Okay, but that seems far less inefficient if somebody wants to get a more organised overview.
Difference of perspective I guess. I'm more used to the RecentActivity layout so I can understand why somebody else wouldn't want to use it.
 

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There is nothing in the iOS/Android dev guidelines that requires that type of Discussion feature to be included in apps.
Well... ummmm.... Discussions is literally the main part of the App. It holds the entire thing together. Wiki content is actually secondary there on it.
TBH I'm not trying to defend Discussions, only saying that you have had it for a while now and it won't be removed so might as well make the best of it. Discussions is, in my honest opinion, not well structured, utilized, or properly maintained.

Since it won't be removed (enforced by powers higher than me) we just gotta deal with it. No point in complaining further, and that's why I'm in there so often trying to turn it into something useful.
 
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I get fandom wants to to keep discussions alive and focused on but none of what happens there is exactly relevant to the rest of the wiki structure wise. The fact that theres this much of a divide between mobile and desktop users is a serious problem.
 

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Is there a selection of pages or something I can look to for learning the new code and stuff in this editor?
 

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Is there a selection of pages or something I can look to for learning the new code and stuff in this editor?
Wikitext did not change, but due to the update there are some new features and old features that have not been supported by MediaWiki did not change. Everything on https://www.mediawiki.org should be supported in the current version. If you where using something that you can no longer find on MediaWiki, it is likely no longer supported. (Like the Category Intersection that got replaced by DPL)
 

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The old one should work (some old don't work anymore). But HTML, CSS codes work while for Javascript I haven't tested yet in a sandbox.

A good one is https://www.w3schools.com/ if you want to learn more about them.
 

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Is there a way to make loading images better? Because a lot of the time when I click on an image, it fails to load completely, it makes linking images here nigh impossible since they don't load
 
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I readed the whole thread and goodness you guys are so short tempered with this

There is a time to adapating albeit it will take so much time for that

Tho i agree that my profile in vsbw is like a hulk right now lel
 

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I just want to mention that if anybody has problems with editing via the UCP system, please try some different settings, as there are 3 editing modes to choose from.

Here are the ones that work best for me: Screenshot_20201031-082943_Firefox.jpg
 
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When I'm clicking on "VIEW MORE MESSAGES" at the bottom of my Message Wall nothing happens even though I used to have more message threads than I can currently view on my Message Wall. It also seems like as if the title of one of the message threads got altered for some reason. What used to be "I'd" in the title got changed to "I&#039;d".
 

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Well, I think that the message walls will take quite a while to be properly and completely converted, but at least I have been told that they will be converted eventually.

You should probably contact Fandom about if the letters and signs get converted wrong.
 
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Well, I think that the message walls will take quite a while to be properly and completely converted, but at least I have been told that they will be converted eventually.

You should probably contact Fandom about if the letters and signs get converted wrong.
Where do I contact Fandom?
 
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Can an option be added so that whenever we Users on mobile and we want to enter [Full Site] (Which is the Desktop Version iirc) our Phone's Safari (or whatever Browser we're using) will permanently stay in the Desktop Version. Whenever Safari resets, I always have to scroll down so I can enter the Desktop Version; I just stopped visiting this site in my phone since the Mobile Version is literal garbage

Is it possible to add the old editing mode back. The new editing mode is like a second slow in almost everything like when you write out your texts, trying to copy a wall of text, and when you clear out a wall of text via highlighting them then typing/pasting in what you want, this thing takes almost 5 seconds just to insert the command. Literally have to write out the shit I need to add in my pages in a 3rd party such as paste.ee or Notepad++ then just inserting them in the page, crazy... Also when you were in the old editing mode, you could go to the page version of the page you're editing since it gives you a link that you could right click then go to so you could get links that were in the profile easier than if you go to preview mode then just taking them but now with the new editing mode, that type of option (link above the editing mode) so only the preview mode is the way now. You could also replace a file that has the same name as the current file you have, like a picture named [ZACKMOON1234] featuring an eyeball spinning as the old file in the Wiki, and the new file I have is named [ZACKMOON1234] too but the image would be something else completely different so if I upload the picture, the new file would replace the old one but that's gone now

Also tried opening 79 pages worth of profiles/verses and I kid you not, Google Chrome really crashed on me after 20 seconds of all the tabs loading. I then decided to open 32 pages worth of profiles/verses and at first I could scroll around some of the profiles but then Google Chrome froze although I could remove all of the tabs after waiting for close to a minute. This update really be freezing my PC which could do the actions I did before (I have a GTX 1060 6GB for a Graphics Card)... Weird but I'll just avoid opening more than 3 tabs I guess.

Update really ruined my motivation to create more pages due to the old editing mode being gone since it was simple but fast and easy while this new editing mode is slow and hideous. Well we'll (or I'll) probably adapt to the changes I guess although a compromise is far better for us users
 
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