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It begins~ This thread is made to revise Demonbane page (which are god awful i truly do want how such person could come up with).
Misconception/Lies
Demonbane is notoriously infamous for the huge amount of misconceptions. This stems mostly from the reader being confused, not reading carefully, wanking (*coughs* Spacebattles *coughs*), amongst many other reasons. Klein Bottle is one of them. This is one of the most blatant misconceptions/taking out of context feat. Generally, people seem to stick with the idea that Klein Bottle is made of infinite amount universes. Each universe being inside another universe for infinity. Expect it is not Klein Bottle is nothing but a time looped universe made Nyarlathotep. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less Ouroboros is another description of Klein Bottle. The description of the "jaw of the snake who eats his own tail" is a reference to how both the beginning and end are connected to each other. That is the time loop. The beginning and final point is the fight between Therion and Kurou. A constant cycle fight between good and evil Explaining the whole of this will take more considering Demonbane complexity in the whole plot. The truth about these universes that have been mistakingly considered to be Klein Bottle...is that they are what makes the Shining Trapezohedron
"The Shining Trapezohedron! The foundation and material of this sacred treasure that seals the Creator is…" "A never-ending amount of worlds with infinite stories indwelling in, simultaneous parallel expansion" "The Universe inside a test-tube/The universe inside a reactor/The universe inside a coin locker/The Universe that shakes from the echoes of the drum/The universe caught within a brain/The universe wrapped like a paper inside a chewing gum---Shining like a clean kaleidoscope, bewildering" "The universe! This infinite parallel universes are converted into a barrier that seals the existence of the Chaotic Garden!" "Of the universe chained within an universe that is chained within an universe that is chained with an universe that is chained inside an universe...The extreme horizon of infinity/Center of All Creation/Ultimate Zero" "With the melody of the feeble magical flute, and the beat of the mad drums, the nucleus of chaos has been sealed" FORTUNATELY, Nya has a long chain of scaling to many 1-A feats which i'll get into soon.
Elder God Demonbane
Another character in the Demonbane series who often get wanked (you know where) with his so called "feats" (they never happen) in Kishin Hishou Demonbane. First of all...Sealed the Outer Gods and Azathoth? What? The feat never happened in question, it's a fabricated lie so what the hell. Stomping Nyarlathotep an "x" billion amount of times with only Nya reliant immortality Azathoth keeping her alive. Same as with Outer God and Azathoth. Never happened. In fact, we only see EGD using its Lemuria Impact Ain Soph Aur followed by a black screen EGD and its ability to increase its size infinitely? It doesn't have that. There's also this weird thing about EGD having its power borrowed from Azathoth...which is never mentioned? Or implied? Basically? EGD is much of the time featless. Thankfully, power-scaling exists for a reason
But yeah, Demonbane is kinda memetic when it comes to feat, especially with the whole Spacebattle ordeal
1-A
It's not mystery that what is truly questioned is the 1-A rating of the characters.
An obvious thing considering the reason behind that is how Nyarlathotep exists above an infinite layered amount of universes which translates to her being above an infinite amount of dimensions…
Reasoning that is utterly wrong as it doesn't show truly complete transcendence to the concept of dimensions, add in the fact it's a misconception.
However, 1-A is an undeniable rating and there exists many proof to its existence in Demonbane:
Problem with this statement is how dimensions can also be used as a word to refer other universes, or a way of author to show the huge gap in power between different characters…
Main point is, while it may seems like backward scalings, it is a logical one as there's no power boost in between the interval of these two games.
As an exemple Kurou 1-A rating reasoning will be like (Transcends the entirety of space and time and logick. Fought against both Ryuuga and Master Therion whom both wielded Liber Legis that contained power beyond dimensions and causality. Also defeated Whateley, a monster created by Another Blood who transcends dimensions and is superior to Elder God Kuzaku who is beyond all existence and could clash against the boundless Nyarlathotep)
Al Azif is comparable, if not stronger (? Can't remember) than Kurou.
Therion is comparable to him.
Azathoth and Yog
Frankly, they shouldn't be in their respective tiers.
Tier 0 Azathoth (Demonbane) is laughable since he isn't implied to be the strongest Outer God like Lovecraft depiction of him. With the existence of beings like Zs-awia (Liber Legis) whom really makes the usual statement of "Azzy strongest Outer God" is questionable. Additionally VB Demonbane (Hakaishin Demonbane) who is >>>>> Elder Gods, also managed to defeat Azathoth.
Same for Yog. His position is unclear, also hell, both of them got sealed by unknown beings whom we know nothing about
Yog for sure shouldn't be High 1-A. Azathoth, i really don't know. But from what i heard, it doesn't seem to fit the High 1-A rating too
They still are definitely 1-A. Yog for instance is beyond all mathematics and also beyond all confines of space-time (while still embodying it). This alongside its all encompassing nature, means it also covers dimensionsless planes (Still a bitch to Mechas)
So yeah, discussion on Azzy's rating is likely the most important thing
Light Novels Pages
I will bluntly state this.
Nuke these pages to oblivion. Erase them without any remorse.
Wanna know why? The english translation is based on the korean version which is vastly different from the japanese version. Ends with the reader seeing cringy shit like "Super super space-time".
I don't have any means to get the japanese light novels, nor do i trust any English translations.
In short, their ratings are questionable
Makes me wanna question on how the heck people bought all of this shit...
Note: It's better to focus on one discussion rather than post everything in one way and move on. This is to better focus on a particular subject and not get sidetracked if someone else is more focusing on another topic that has not been properly evaluated/read/whatever by other users
Fun Fact: There will be a new Demonbane VN on the making.More khaos for me
Misconception/Lies
Demonbane is notoriously infamous for the huge amount of misconceptions. This stems mostly from the reader being confused, not reading carefully, wanking (*coughs* Spacebattles *coughs*), amongst many other reasons. Klein Bottle is one of them. This is one of the most blatant misconceptions/taking out of context feat. Generally, people seem to stick with the idea that Klein Bottle is made of infinite amount universes. Each universe being inside another universe for infinity. Expect it is not Klein Bottle is nothing but a time looped universe made Nyarlathotep. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less Ouroboros is another description of Klein Bottle. The description of the "jaw of the snake who eats his own tail" is a reference to how both the beginning and end are connected to each other. That is the time loop. The beginning and final point is the fight between Therion and Kurou. A constant cycle fight between good and evil Explaining the whole of this will take more considering Demonbane complexity in the whole plot. The truth about these universes that have been mistakingly considered to be Klein Bottle...is that they are what makes the Shining Trapezohedron
"The Shining Trapezohedron! The foundation and material of this sacred treasure that seals the Creator is…" "A never-ending amount of worlds with infinite stories indwelling in, simultaneous parallel expansion" "The Universe inside a test-tube/The universe inside a reactor/The universe inside a coin locker/The Universe that shakes from the echoes of the drum/The universe caught within a brain/The universe wrapped like a paper inside a chewing gum---Shining like a clean kaleidoscope, bewildering" "The universe! This infinite parallel universes are converted into a barrier that seals the existence of the Chaotic Garden!" "Of the universe chained within an universe that is chained within an universe that is chained with an universe that is chained inside an universe...The extreme horizon of infinity/Center of All Creation/Ultimate Zero" "With the melody of the feeble magical flute, and the beat of the mad drums, the nucleus of chaos has been sealed" FORTUNATELY, Nya has a long chain of scaling to many 1-A feats which i'll get into soon.
Elder God Demonbane
Another character in the Demonbane series who often get wanked (you know where) with his so called "feats" (they never happen) in Kishin Hishou Demonbane. First of all...Sealed the Outer Gods and Azathoth? What? The feat never happened in question, it's a fabricated lie so what the hell. Stomping Nyarlathotep an "x" billion amount of times with only Nya reliant immortality Azathoth keeping her alive. Same as with Outer God and Azathoth. Never happened. In fact, we only see EGD using its Lemuria Impact Ain Soph Aur followed by a black screen EGD and its ability to increase its size infinitely? It doesn't have that. There's also this weird thing about EGD having its power borrowed from Azathoth...which is never mentioned? Or implied? Basically? EGD is much of the time featless. Thankfully, power-scaling exists for a reason
1-A
It's not mystery that what is truly questioned is the 1-A rating of the characters.
An obvious thing considering the reason behind that is how Nyarlathotep exists above an infinite layered amount of universes which translates to her being above an infinite amount of dimensions…
Reasoning that is utterly wrong as it doesn't show truly complete transcendence to the concept of dimensions, add in the fact it's a misconception.
However, 1-A is an undeniable rating and there exists many proof to its existence in Demonbane:
Problem with this statement is how dimensions can also be used as a word to refer other universes, or a way of author to show the huge gap in power between different characters…
- this statement is luckily followed by another one which says that both Demonbane and Liber Legis transcended Space and Time. Moreover, Ryuuga refers to "grander heights" "distant heights" and the "pure domain" to higher dimensional and even dimensionless planes
- In Al Azif route, *The clash between Therion and Kurou starts to bring ruin to all things, and is stated to become a transcendent battle, fulling becoming beyond all limits. Time and Space has no meaning to them
Main point is, while it may seems like backward scalings, it is a logical one as there's no power boost in between the interval of these two games.
- Dunwitch Horror transcending dimensions (Scales to like, the entirety of the cast as even Kurou without Demonbane could keep up with it)
- Demonbane Two Sword once went through a higher dimensional space beyond euclidian geometry. Said dimensions gets absolutely destroyed and ripped apart by Two Sword (Who had yet to attain Godhood)
- Another feat is Another Blood, who manifests the "previous stories" of Al Azif, alongside possible other possibilities of these stories, From possible ones such as of the past, or the future to even nonexistent possibilities, basically infinite possibilities and merging them all to create her own story into existence. This also affected abstracts things such as time being different in each area like one having a slowed time flow, and another one having an accelerated one another place where time was stopped, and another one where it was reversed, space was also distorted and unstable. This story created also contains higher dimensional planes (See Kuzaku feat that is above). To even creating monsters that transcends dimensions (See Dunwitch Horror also known as WHATELEY!)
As an exemple Kurou 1-A rating reasoning will be like (Transcends the entirety of space and time and logick. Fought against both Ryuuga and Master Therion whom both wielded Liber Legis that contained power beyond dimensions and causality. Also defeated Whateley, a monster created by Another Blood who transcends dimensions and is superior to Elder God Kuzaku who is beyond all existence and could clash against the boundless Nyarlathotep)
Al Azif is comparable, if not stronger (? Can't remember) than Kurou.
Therion is comparable to him.
Azathoth and Yog
Frankly, they shouldn't be in their respective tiers.
Tier 0 Azathoth (Demonbane) is laughable since he isn't implied to be the strongest Outer God like Lovecraft depiction of him. With the existence of beings like Zs-awia (Liber Legis) whom really makes the usual statement of "Azzy strongest Outer God" is questionable. Additionally VB Demonbane (Hakaishin Demonbane) who is >>>>> Elder Gods, also managed to defeat Azathoth.
Same for Yog. His position is unclear, also hell, both of them got sealed by unknown beings whom we know nothing about
Yog for sure shouldn't be High 1-A. Azathoth, i really don't know. But from what i heard, it doesn't seem to fit the High 1-A rating too
They still are definitely 1-A. Yog for instance is beyond all mathematics and also beyond all confines of space-time (while still embodying it). This alongside its all encompassing nature, means it also covers dimensionsless planes (Still a bitch to Mechas)
So yeah, discussion on Azzy's rating is likely the most important thing
Light Novels Pages
I will bluntly state this.
Nuke these pages to oblivion. Erase them without any remorse.
Wanna know why? The english translation is based on the korean version which is vastly different from the japanese version. Ends with the reader seeing cringy shit like "Super super space-time".
I don't have any means to get the japanese light novels, nor do i trust any English translations.
In short, their ratings are questionable
Makes me wanna question on how the heck people bought all of this shit...
Note: It's better to focus on one discussion rather than post everything in one way and move on. This is to better focus on a particular subject and not get sidetracked if someone else is more focusing on another topic that has not been properly evaluated/read/whatever by other users
Fun Fact: There will be a new Demonbane VN on the making.
