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Demonbane Revision

>Regenerationn

Oh yeah...forgot it had feats of self-repair

And Dra-Koi
 
About the speed, its wreid but in demonbane (Zanma) I have found decent to good things (outside from Speed of Sound to Light):

The Battle of Titus and Winfield, Time is freezing/Stop, they clashes hits: https://imgur.com/a/V2aOYc6 https://imgur.com/a/9YuV5DE https://imgur.com/a/CAiLJRF https://imgur.com/a/2P3zD3m

Magicians can ignore Laws (like inertia or gravity): https://imgur.com/Ii3puI7 https://imgur.com/R9V6Rju

The battle of Kurou/Al/Demonbane VS Titus/Ogre: https://imgur.com/QZ4WQ1a https://imgur.com/GkdP4Ua , they can move freely in a frozen world

Beyond the concept of maneuverability the laws of physics: https://i.imgur.com/2Y2jyrt.jpg

Ryuuga and the Haunting Horror move freely in a Void: https://imgur.com/a/IWwzJuO

Ruri move in Time Stop: https://i.imgur.com/3Ms0wOu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3Rwkiwb.jpg

I do not know if in Kishin Hishou Demonbane these feats are maintained or are superior or even more explanatory ... but it is strange to me (of what read in Zanma), what comes to my mind and a more logical explanation with what I saw in Demonbane, is that Magicians are outside the ordinary logic, laws and concepts that govern conventionally / normally in the world and Euclidean Geometry , reaching impossible things for a normal human being can deal with or process them, also Magicians are beyon Logic and posibility suprass Space-Time itself, exist were the flow of time is unstable and reach places beyond that or more.

An Opinion
 
So now that we got Kurou profile. We can use that to help with the scaling (as like...most of the characters scales to him)

Augustus should be just Island level normally, and have another key assigned to him when he absorbed Cthulhu be High Universe level

Master Therio is....kinda weird...one could argue for him being 1-A in every single key of his. All the so called "contradicting" events like Black Lodge backstabbing him was actually something he knew and purposefully kept with it. As i shown in the OP, not only Liber Legis is beyond dimensions and causality but due to his special nature as the son of Yog-Sothoth, both Time and Space has no meaning to him

Al Azif obviously scales to Kurou

Demonbane Two Sword should be 1-A in both keys. His first key has him doing feats like ripping beyond euclidian dimensional space geometry and being stated to be stronger than Whateley and Another Blood and also for fighting against Ney (Another Avatar of Nyarlathotep AKA Augustus) who also states that the concept of space and time is meaningless to him. His Elder God Key should be 1-A for being superior to his normal self alongside becoming beyond all of existence

Liber Legis (Zanma Tensei) will be the same as Therion

Cthulhu will be High 3-A due to him being stated to contain universal power that is growing infinitely and moreso because when Augustus absorbeb his power, he gained infinite energy/power

Dagon should just be Island level (also now that i am talking about Dagon, didn't it also generate tsunamis that could cover the whole island?)

Azathoth will be 1-A for embodying all (That includes even dimensionsless planes) and should be the same as Yog who's beyond the confines of space and time alongside being beyond mathematics conceptualization

Nyarlathotep should be 1-A for directly stating that the concept of time and space is meaningless. And there exists scaling as she's stronger than Kuzaku and Kurou, and even clashing with Elder God Kuzaku who's beyond all of existence
 
I think that ALRF's suggested revisions seem to make sense.
 
ALRF said:
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About Dagon: https://imgur.com/a/aXtuonr also Climatic Manipulation?

What about Technomagic?

Resistences to Existence Erasure (Tiberius Vengeful Spirit Bomb ), and it can damage Non-corporeal, abstract and intangible beings such as the Belzebuth form (that form of flies and miasma) that consists of materialized souls and negative emotions of all those who have killed it and can not be conventionally affected. Also, Tiberus Deus Ex in colide with the Elder Sing tear the factory of space itself (CH 13 of Leica, Ruri and Al Route).

Also this from Cthuluh and the resistances for others (aside from Kurou): https://imgur.com/a/Psw8TMv
 
Shouldn't Azathoth be High 1-A due to being above basically everyone? Even if you don't agree with tier 0. Vortex Blaster made him into an avatar sure but the more impressive end of that was him destroying most of the cosmology. Azathoth is sleeping, not exactly much he could do to fight back. Wasn't like he was dead either since he lives in Azana who ascended someone to the level of an Elder God casually.

Speaking of DYN freaks, are we adding profiles for them? I know someone had a relatively good Azana profile on their blog and making one for Mugen, Crow, etc shouldn't be too hard. VB is the only one I would be worried about.
 
CynicalWeeaboo said:
Shouldn't Azathoth be High 1-A due to being above basically everyone? Even if you don't agree with tier 0. Vortex Blaster made him into an avatar sure but the more impressive end of that was him destroying most of the cosmology. Azathoth is sleeping, not exactly much he could do to fight back. Wasn't like he was dead either since he lives in Azana who ascended someone to the level of an Elder God casually.
Speaking of DYN freaks, are we adding profiles for them? I know someone had a relatively good Azana profile on their blog and making one for Mugen, Crow, etc shouldn't be too hard. VB is the only one I would be worried about.
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You cant be High 1-A if a being thats not T0 is capable of slapping you silly.
 
CynicalWeeaboo said:
Shouldn't Azathoth be High 1-A due to being above basically everyone? Even if you don't agree with tier 0. Vortex Blaster made him into an avatar sure but the more impressive end of that was him destroying most of the cosmology. Azathoth is sleeping, not exactly much he could do to fight back. Wasn't like he was dead either since he lives in Azana who ascended someone to the level of an Elder God casually.
Speaking of DYN freaks, are we adding profiles for them? I know someone had a relatively good Azana profile on their blog and making one for Mugen, Crow, etc shouldn't be too hard. VB is the only one I would be worried about.
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Vortex Blaster says the opposite of what you say

DYN yep, but the english translation are "bad" (not good, but not at the level of the Gunshin Kyōshü) ...same to Nitroplus Blasterz: Heroines Infinite Duel Dx

Its because in teh past, we think that DYN and Blasterz are non canonto Demonbane because Azathoth dies :v
 
Extreme123dz said:
CynicalWeeaboo said:
Shouldn't Azathoth be High 1-A due to being above basically everyone? Even if you don't agree with tier 0. Vortex Blaster made him into an avatar sure but the more impressive end of that was him destroying most of the cosmology. Azathoth is sleeping, not exactly much he could do to fight back. Wasn't like he was dead either since he lives in Azana who ascended someone to the level of an Elder God casually.
Speaking of DYN freaks, are we adding profiles for them? I know someone had a relatively good Azana profile on their blog and making one for Mugen, Crow, etc shouldn't be too hard. VB is the only one I would be worried about.
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Vortex Blaster says the opposite of what you say
DYN yep, but the english translation are "bad" (not good, but not at the level of the Gunshin Kyōshü) ...same to Nitroplus Blasterz: Heroines Infinite Duel Dx

Its because in teh past, we think that DYN and Blasterz are non canonto Demonbane because Azathoth dies :v
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What do you mean?

The DYN freaks translation was readable and understandable, more than I could say about Gunshin. Though I don't know how different the translation is as opposed to the original text if thats what you mean.

The problem with that is that he's not exactly "dead".
 
CynicalWeeaboo said:
What do you mean?

The DYN freaks translation was readable and understandable, more than I could say about Gunshin. Though I don't know how different the translation is as opposed to the original text if thats what you mean.

The problem with that is that he's not exactly "dead".
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Because of the existence of Vortex Blazter, Azathoth is not High 1-A, no matter the reason (if he was asleep, he was never seen fighting, etc) and in the past "we" thought they were the same as their Lovecraft counterparts..., if Blaster didnt exist, he would possibly have even the tier of 0 or High 1-A

I want a beter translation from DYN manga, some thing are "realy bad" like this: https://i1.***********.net/dyn-freaks/1/dyn-freaks-4667055.jpg (of what someone told me, because some things are lost for the one who knows Demonbane as terminologies or concepts that the work handles)
 
Then where would you tier VB? Still 1-A? He's effectively the strongest character in the series to my knowledge if you believe he's fully stronger than Azzy.

That page is god awful. The earlier chapters were kind of messy though it got better later imo.
 
CynicalWeeaboo said:
Then where would you tier VB? Still 1-A? He's effectively the strongest character in the series to my knowledge if you believe he's fully stronger than Azzy.
That page is god awful. The earlier chapters were kind of messy though it got better later imo.
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As far as I know, High 1-A is for those beings that, if there were no Tier 0 would be or the most powerful being of their work (above any 1-A) that are not omnipotent, omnicient and omnipresentt (of which I understand here), Vortex Kill anything and everithing, he would be the only one who posibility get the High 1-A in my opinion or an extremely powerfull 1-A, not Azathothnor Azana (but I can be wrong).
 
I can see Vortex Blaster being At least 1-A in the most generous. I'd like to hear ALRF's thoughts.

Remember, Azathoth was sealed by a race of beings we know almost nothing about.
 
Yes getting other opinions would be nice. I think him being high 1-A would make sense though considering we seem to think he is the top of his verse, above the rest of the 1-As. Including people like Azana who can casually ascend people to 1-A.

Yes azzy was sealed but again my biggest issue with that is that he didn't really fight back or do anything.
 
If Azathoth has superior beings to it who aren't 0 and was sealed by a bunch of other beings that we don't even know proper, not seeing how it can possibly be High 1-A here instead of "just" really high on the 1-A scale.
 
How so? Especially when he did it to Yog, Nya, and the entire demonbane cosmology? Though whether you believe him one shotting Yog destroyed the cosmology or the reverse is up for debate.
 
That just means there's a ton of beings who are above the Cosmology. There's plenty of Verses with High 1-B Cosmologies and 1-A beings.
 
Being above others 1-As doesnt make you High 1-A.

Otherwise 50% of the Masadaverse would become High 1-A.
 
Marvel is like that as well.
 
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