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Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Jasonsith said:
I am sure it is the other way round

People with G1 blog and legacy VBW blogs have star and MFTL+ Vader while Death Battle crew members have planet and SOL Vader.
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r/ reddit, offical DB discord server, discussions with MomoUru, spacebattles, DB community suggest otherwise, then add Death Battle crew members.

I've only seen like a few people argue for MFTL+ and star level Vader
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Pardon me for using facts to determine the outcomes of matches rather than ignoring them just to appeal to the uninformed masses
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Okay...and yet you've failed to convince the majority or Shadowboku here that have read Star Wars as much. or are you going to dismiss Shadow's opinion because of his PFP again
 
Doggo said:
Can Obito regen having entire body or head blown up? Vader does the former with force combustion. Obito is apparently incapable of regenerating his eyes meaning could literally blind him.

In terms of stats, without inflating his feats, Obito is like 5B via scaling to Sage of the six paths. Vader is 5A and speed feats put him 3-4x faster

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Star Wars: Tyth destroys Iokath

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Star Wars: The Energy required to destroy Iokath

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Also legends is getting an upgrade on the future....and Vader stomps Obito with it
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And the calculation needs evaluation.
 
ooc, anyone here got a link to the forum where the naruto calc supporters discussed the feat the ten tail beast bomb DB used in question. interested
 


Updates on teased music for Brandon Yates Round 6

00:04:00 Bendy vs Cuphead (Character)

00:40:30 Spear (Primal) and Fang (Primal) vs San and Moro (Princess Mononoke)

00:41:55 Professor Turo vs Dr. Gero

01:24:30 Nagisa Shiota vs Tokaku Azuma

02:10:30 Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) vs Black Mage (MapleStory)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQNCMAXmfLo
03:01:53 Dusknoir (PMD Explorers) vs Magolor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBm7KybYZrM
03:38:48 Steve (The Player (Minecraft)) vs The Terrarian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4me5vTynaLs
03:54:43 Kai Chisaki (Overhaul) vs Diavolo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RULXOBJ3TE
04:17:32 Home Is Where The Hurt Is Phyrexia vs The Borg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc2bsTVK23c
04:38:59 Tooru (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) vs Makima
WIP
(Now, in how many ways does the matchup of Satoru Gojo vs Makima stomp against Tooru (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) vs Makima?
And how much would the commissioned music work be?)
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Normies not knowing Vader's feats doesnt make them correct
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And Star Wars is a verse which could be easier underestimated than Naruto which has visual effect badass
WeeklyBattles said:
Even the updated profile for Vader is going to have him at Low 4-C and MFTL
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And the current Vader profile has many problems. It needs more references, it needs decomposite Canon and Legend, it needs more in-depth justifications.
 
We all really should take this advice... 😔
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WeeklyBattles said:
Pardon me for using facts to determine the outcomes of matches rather than ignoring them just to appeal to the uninformed masses
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Vader after he has to fight Ganondorf or Majora (I used facts to determine the outcome of this rather than ignoring them just to appeal to the uninformed masses)

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Chronicplane said:
Okay...and yet you've failed to convince the majority or Shadowboku here that have read Star Wars as much. or are you going to dismiss Shadow's opinion because of his PFP again
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As i said, uninformed, there is little point trying to convince someone who is coming into a debate with the preconceived notion that they are right and i am wrong. It is in my best interest to simply accept that you will not see why you are wrong, so i will just accept that you are content to be wrong and stop wasting time trying to convince you otherwise.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
As i said, uninformed, there is little point trying to convince someone who is coming into a debate with the preconceived notion that they are right and i am wrong. It is in my best interest to simply accept that you will not see why you are wrong, so i will just accept that you are content to be wrong and stop wasting time trying to convince you otherwise.
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So your opting to dodge the calling out on the blatantly dismissing ShadowBoku's opinion just because of his PFP? I also never proclaimed to be encyclopedia'd on SW's or Naruto, I'm just another dude here just as you on a vs debating forum. Also ShadowBoku totally slammed you in that discussing m8, I was there when you engaged with him and used the bullshit PFP nonesense that only a youtuber commenter would use.

Also doesn't help you've made a lot of claims but still haven't provided sources or evidence for it and whilst I'm aware you're busy with IRL which is fair enough, but such claims should really be said after you've made ya thesis.

You know you could've just said let's agree to disagree instead of wording it in a way that puts down other people, but whatever you're right, your not going to change the way you think and neither am I so just because to leave a dead horse and move on.
 
Chronicplane said:
So your opting to dodge the calling out on the blatantly dismissing ShadowBoku's opinion just because of his PFP? I also never proclaimed to be encyclopedia'd on SW's or Naruto, I'm just another dude here just as you on a vs debating forum. Also ShadowBoku totally slammed you in that discussing m8, I was there when you engaged with him and used the bullshit PFP nonesense that only a youtuber commenter would use.
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Oh no, i double down on it, Shadow's blatant bias was super apparent throughout that entire "debate" if you could even call it that, its abundantly clear that he has never even opened one of the Star Wars novels before. Hell, if he had, why not use that knowledge to fix up the profile? Why is the cleanup that is going on leaning towards the stats that i was arguing in favor of rather than whatever he was trying to claim if he is supposedly correct? The only thing Shadow 'slammed' was the keyboard in frustration.
Chronicplane said:
Also doesn't help you've made a lot of claims but still haven't provided sources or evidence for it and whilst I'm aware you're busy with IRL which is fair enough, but such claims should really be said after you've made ya thesis.
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Shadow didnt provided sources either yet i dont see you demanding anything from him.
 
Dust_Collector said:
Almost as funny as when he came into the God of War thread and unironically claimed that Kratos doesn't scale to Thor despite beating a bloodlusted Thor in a one on one fight (While also holding back his rage to prevent himself from killing the thundergod)
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Weekly just be saying shit, you kind of have to admire it at a certain point. Maybe I'm only saying that because I haven't had to debate him yet lmao
 
Dust_Collector said:
Almost as funny as when he came into the God of War thread and unironically claimed that Kratos doesn't scale to Thor despite beating a bloodlusted Thor in a one on one fight (While also holding back his rage to prevent himself from killing the thundergod)
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Imagine seeing Thor kill Kratos on-screen as a scripted event and then asking if Kratos scales to Thor due to this only for people to start making dumbass accusations like this
 
Mariogoods said:
I'd like to know the justification of Low 1-C as Tier 1 is much more debatable than other tiers.

Also, https://vsbattles.com/threads/star-...gends-episode-vi-return-of-the-threadi.151958 may be a better place to discuss this.

Anyways, Vader's profile finally has references.
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Something something The Force exists everywhere in the Star Wars universe including Hyperspace, which is explicitly a higher spatial dimension, and Anakin subdued the embodiments of both the Dark and Light Side of the Force
 
WeeklyBattles said:
People like to just spread lies about me, its nowhere near as bad as theyll try to make you think
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Took me like 5 seconds to find ye olde "Ryuko can totally beat Super Shadow guys trust me" posts you denied existed, so no, I don't think those are lies.

Really, I could talk about all the "just trust me" moments you've had on here, like the definitely real DMC 4-A downgrade, or tier 2 Doomguy downgrade, or 3-C Vader, or Mikasa beating Blake.
 
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Chronicplane said:
Not really, and even one of the researchers of the G1 blog(MomoUra) doesn't think Vader's capable of blitzing, the very same blog everyone loves to keep barking up. I'm sure you can even pull up various examples in fiction where characters multitude of times faster than the other and the other was still able to keep up.

Well I'm not a calc guy, I just kinda assumed the general consensus for Vader and Obito was around planetary level so it made sense. We don't know exactly what method or calc they used that got that number, I've also heard that Naruto's earth is a lot bigger than IRL's so maybe that can also be the cause of it, an generally vaporisation is greater than evisceration.

Let's put it this way a human eye is capable of processing images between 30-60 frames per second, an average human is capable of perceiving a ferrari sports car driving and moving even when going up to 330 km/h. Sure that car is moving so much faster but humans can still perceive it on the track if briefly. Now you take someone who has superb field awareness with the Sharingan, extrasensory senses and superhuman vision, an now it doesn't seem so blitz worthy without Vader being several leagues above him in speed.

So with this established and even the G1 researcher(referring to MomoUra) in order for a comfortable blitz to happen Vader would have to have to be so astronomically faster unless if you can give me examples, even then it's always flimsy in fiction and every series/character treats it differently(example that comes to mind is Scar vs Bradley from fullmetal alchemist brotherhood), thus far it seems like every interpretation(apart from Weekly's I guess) has both Anakin and Obito in the same wave length roughly in speed so there's a lot of wiggle room to debate, an since basically every power scaling I've seen has them pretty close in stats a lot of people really drew from the MU as a stats vs haxs debate, but with it being so close to where haxs can actually be a genuine threat to Vader if he doesn't do anything.

I'm glad you enjoyed the episode, I loved the episode personally. The outcome of the episode doesn't really make me too upset because I'm aware no matter how hard myself or anyone else DB's interpretation isn't going to just chance, an since I was always 50/50 on the debating side so I was fine with either Vader winning or Obito winning. I'm not forcing any narrative nor do I want to be chewed out or shit flung at just for throwing a different hat into the ring, I'm very much aware that DB is far from perfect and that they've made blunders in the past like with Ben 10 vs Hal and even ignoring old DB when it was only Ben that was doing it all, I dunno maybe it's because I'm not so hardcore into the modern vs debating. Let's just agree to disagree with this subject, no harm no foul ❤️

But like Speedy said in the future if we want a discussion from them shit flinging and insult hurdling isn't going to be way to do it.
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I do enjoy the episode, I have requested this match for ages, I'm just glad it got the love it deserved.

You are rigth this match is 50/50 but arguments can still be made


In this wiki, 4x is the requirement to speedblitz, I know DB has different standards but Vader should be alot faster that Obito

I don't think the Naruto planet is bigger than ours and even some the Naruto supporters here disagree with the calc
 
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