Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Kirbonic_Pikmin]

People really forget that not every game can get away with pulling the cosmic level bullshit it was able to, especially not without drastic consequences to the world you travel, and the GoW devs have openly talked about how hard it is to portray Kratos’ power level and they’ve had to nixx stuff on multiple occasions just to work things out well.

Asura’s Wrath can get away with it because it’s a linear ass game with a very simple combat system that often quite literally goes on rails, that’s mostly watching long cutscenes with qtes interspersed throughout. so most of the development and budget goes towards the spectacle. Something like 2018 or Ragnarok is an action adventure game with an emphasis on side content and returning to locations. You can’t really return to places if you’re pulverizing them into a fine dust after the first visit because you had a battle with a god that shook the universe yet again.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

From what I’ve heard, 9D is completely valid by this wiki’s standards, so either someone would have to change the wiki’s standards, stop PoC from being used, or prove that nobody scales to the 9D stuff

Going by the current standards it's actually not valid anymore

 

[RedReaper616]

I'd argue Asura's Wrath is proof of why you CAN'T do it. I mean, I enjoyed Asura's Wrath as much as the next guy, but I doubt I'm in the minority if I was to admit I infinitely enjoyed my time with these vastly more interactive games that don't waste budget on these displays when this power is clearly displayed via other means. I mean, in comparison to the best games from other series, Asura's Wrath as a game is basically gameplay-less.


God of War and Devil May Cry are infinitely better playable games, and so while yes, they could waste time, money, and other resources on giganto-max QTEs in trade for actually fun gameplay experiences, I'd never recommend it. Ever.

 

[Stefano4444]

From what I’ve heard, 9D is completely valid by this wiki’s standards, so either someone would have to change the wiki’s standards, stop PoC from being used, or prove that nobody scales to the 9D stuff

Personally i don't have much issue for 1-C by itself, however i don't think DMC should be fully be upgraded to that level due of how much of a jump it is even compare to the Low 2-C/2-C, enough to question if this should be an outlier.

I think if DMC characters were ranked at "2-C, possibly 1-C", less people would find it ridiculous.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Unironically using the same logic that DMC is 9-D you can argue Bayo being 12-D

 

[Kirbonic_Pikmin]

I'd argue Asura's Wrath is proof of why you CAN'T do it. I mean, I enjoyed Asura's Wrath as much as the next guy, but I doubt I'm in the minority if I was to admit I infinitely enjoyed my time with these vastly more interactive games that don't waste budget on these displays when this power is clearly displayed via other means. I mean, in comparison to the best games from other series, Asura's Wrath as a game is basically gameplay-less.


God of War and Devil May Cry are infinitely better playable games, and so while yes, they could waste time, money, and other resources on giganto-max QTEs in trade for actually fun gameplay experiences, I'd never recommend it. Ever.

I think Asura’s Wrath is worthwhile for what it is and the gameplay that is there, while simple, is fun and cathartic, it absolutely is barebones compared to other action games and showcases what you have to sacrifice for that insane level of scale quite often.

Personally i don't have much issue for 1-C by itself, however i don't think DMC should be fully be upgraded to that level due of how much of a jump it is even compare to the Low 2-C/2-C, enough to question if this should be an outlier.

I think if DMC characters were ranked at "2-C, possibly 1-C", less people would find it ridiculous.

yeah I would prefer the possibly stat for 1C as well, since 2C generally has a lot of consistency to it while 1C is based off of one thing in a single PoC loading screen iirc lol. I often see 1C DMC thrown around as a prime example of why this site and it’s stats suck lol.

 

[Cyberblader90]

Tier 1 Devil May Cry Reborn

vsbattles.fandom.com

this be the current blog for it

 

[RedReaper616]

I think Asura’s Wrath is worthwhile for what it is and the gameplay that is there, while simple, is fun and cathartic, it absolutely is barebones compared to other action games and showcases what you have to sacrifice for that insane level of scale quite often.

Yeah. It's also not helped by the fact if you were to try and do a "Lore Accurate" game like some people WISH these series did, there'd be no game. Sonic would be too fast to see, even if he's walking. Dante would kill everything not a god tier by simply existing. The Doomslayer would be virtually invulnerable.

I get that people want shit spoon-fed to them, but I think you have to be mindful of the medium, first.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Going by the current standards it's actually not valid anymore

I wonder why no one has tried to downgrade it if that was the case... Oh wait, nothing has changed!

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I wonder why no one has tried to downgrade it if that was the case... Oh wait, nothing has changed!

It's mostly because no one wants to deal with the BS from the DMC supporters stonewalling it like every other DMC crt, but yes, things have changed and a revision is in the works for it

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

It's mostly because no one wants to deal with the BS from the DMC supporters stonewalling it like every other DMC crt, but yes, things have changed and a revision is in the works for it

Excuses, excuses. Nothing has changed and so the verse will remain the same.

Several people have said the same and yet none has done shit about it and if it is you the one making the revision I can only laugh at that.

Unless it's the non existent discord server dedicated to debunking DMC you said some time ago?

 

[Cyberblader90]

i sentence tony to banishment to the south pole

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

i sentence tony to banishment to the south pole

I hate you >:v

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

i sentence tony to banishment to the Island of Perpetual Tickling

Fixed it for you (I woke up feeling dangerous today).

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Going by the current standards it's actually not valid anymore

Then how come no downgrade was made

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Fixed it for you (I woke up feeling dangerous today).

Bro, I'm died lol

 

[Tipper17]

Nobody buys 9D DMC anyways outside Stan's anyways

Universal is what peeps will agree with DMC as far as high ends

Then how come no downgrade was made

Busy with shit I guess everyone got shit to do

 

[BlackDarkness679]

yeah I would prefer the possibly stat for 1C as well, since 2C generally has a lot of consistency to it while 1C is based off of one thing in a single PoC loading screen iirc lol. I often see 1C DMC thrown around as a prime example of why this site and it’s stats suck lol.

Iirc DMC3 has some mention of it but it wasnt expanded on, PoC did i suppose given it is placed after DMC3 chronologically

 

[Tipper17]

People really forget that not every game can get away with pulling the cosmic level bullshit it was able to, especially not without drastic consequences to the world you travel, and the GoW devs have openly talked about how hard it is to portray Kratos’ power level and they’ve had to nixx stuff on multiple occasions just to work things out well.

Asura’s Wrath can get away with it because it’s a linear ass game with a very simple combat system that often quite literally goes on rails, that’s mostly watching long cutscenes with qtes interspersed throughout. so most of the development and budget goes towards the spectacle. Something like 2018 or Ragnarok is an action adventure game with an emphasis on side content and returning to locations. You can’t really return to places if you’re pulverizing them into a fine dust after the first visit because you had a battle with a god that shook the universe yet again.

I'd argue Asura's Wrath is proof of why you CAN'T do it. I mean, I enjoyed Asura's Wrath as much as the next guy, but I doubt I'm in the minority if I was to admit I infinitely enjoyed my time with these vastly more interactive games that don't waste budget on these displays when this power is clearly displayed via other means. I mean, in comparison to the best games from other series, Asura's Wrath as a game is basically gameplay-less.


God of War and Devil May Cry are infinitely better playable games, and so while yes, they could waste time, money, and other resources on giganto-max QTEs in trade for actually fun gameplay experiences, I'd never recommend it. Ever.

Honestly kinda want to do a blog of over Kratos vs Asura
As a Lore vs Feats Debate

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Unless it's the non existent discord server dedicated to debunking DMC you said some time ago?

Flashbacks to 4-A DMC via the server

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Nobody buys 9D DMC anyways outside Stan's anyways

Universal is what peeps will agree with DMC as far as high ends

I mean in general uni is the standard for any verse unless it got more going, basically like how Death Battle counts most verses as uni and try to see how big they are and how many they can destroy as measurements

 

[Quantu]

 

[Tots_Real]

Billy could fight Marshal Law.

 

[Sevil Natas]

Personally i don't have much issue for 1-C by itself, however i don't think DMC should be fully be upgraded to that level due of how much of a jump it is even compare to the Low 2-C/2-C, enough to question if this should be an outlier.

I think if DMC characters were ranked at "2-C, possibly 1-C", less people would find it ridiculous

the problem with that is. the feats themselves are consistent. we cannot call them outliers

it's the statement that gives the 1-C rating. not the feats. basically the implication of it makes the demon world 1-C. and we cant outlier a statement about the lore even if it's gives smth unusually high for the verse. the statement itself can be dismissed only if it's absolutely inconsistent with the workings of the DMC lore which aint the case here.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

https://youtube.com/shorts/gBBN1pr8D28?feature=share
Senator Armstrong Vs Alex Mercer vid. Anyone have thoughts on this?

 

[Tipper17]

the problem with that is. the feats themselves are consistent. we cannot call them outliers

it's the statement that gives the 1-C rating. not the feats. basically the implication of it makes the demon world 1-C. and we cant outlier a statement about the lore even if it's gives smth unusually high for the verse. the statement itself can be dismissed only if it's absolutely inconsistent with the workings of the DMC lore which aint the case here.

Not seeing how it's consistent whatsoever

 

[Sevil Natas]

Not seeing how it's consistent whatsoever

start by explaining how it's not consistent first lol.
like i said as long as nothing in the lore contradicts it. it's fine. no matter how unusually high it is for the verse

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Yeah... I see your point there, many times turns out the evidence for the character's tier or abilities were either taken out of context, misinterpreted, stretched to fit into a an specific interpretation, headcannoned or unsourced. We've seen quite a few times here how some verses got not so minor downgrades because they were built on house of cards.

I can name several that deserve it right now but it'd be controversial.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Then how come no downgrade was made

Like i said, no one wants to deal with the DMC supporters even though the downgrade is supposed to happen

 

[Foxthefox1000]

The Mario supporters when they try to make any thread basically have been exhausted out of debating so the verse is just stuck in a limbo state of inactivity

 

[Stefano4444]

the statement itself can be dismissed only if it's absolutely inconsistent with the workings of the DMC lore which aint the case here.

But how many time in the entire series the souls and/or the universes were stated to be 9D? It only happen in one game, one that people still question its canonicity.

Which its why i don't think its fair to have DMC fully scale to 1-C, especially with how big of a jump it is.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Vs debaters finding the most obscure text to support a huge upgrade

 

[WeeklyBattles]

the problem with that is. the feats themselves are consistent. we cannot call them outliers

it's the statement that gives the 1-C rating. not the feats. basically the implication of it makes the demon world 1-C. and we cant outlier a statement about the lore even if it's gives smth unusually high for the verse. the statement itself can be dismissed only if it's absolutely inconsistent with the workings of the DMC lore which aint the case here.

It is though? The fact that half the current 1-Cs used to cap at High 6-A is a big red flag

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Also just saying that DB ain't having Dante win against Bayo or Kratos lol

And that blog for Dante and Bayo feels redundant since we already know what G1 peeps peg Dante at and it's like Island level. Sure he has a **** ton of hax but I don't think it will save him

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

https://youtube.com/shorts/gBBN1pr8D28?feature=share
Senator Armstrong Vs Alex Mercer vid. Anyone have thoughts on this?

Doesn’t James Heller work better?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also just saying that DB ain't having Dante win against Bayo or Kratos lol

And that blog for Dante and Bayo feels redundant since we already know what G1 peeps peg Dante at and it's like Island level. Sure he has a **** ton of hax but I don't think it will save him

Bayo has a goo amount of hax too, moreso from the latest game

 

[Foxthefox1000]

I know. Bayo 3 singlehandedly made Bayo shoot even higher on the Smash Canon Power Level list than she was before.

She's genuinely like potentially Top 3 or 5

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Also just saying that DB ain't having Dante win against Bayo or Kratos lol

And that blog for Dante and Bayo feels redundant since we already know what G1 peeps peg Dante at and it's like Island level. Sure he has a **** ton of hax but I don't think it will save him

I believe they changed their view of DMC stats after what happened here. Since after the vs wiki blog I haven’t seen or hear a single strong debunk for universal to low multiverse DMC

 

[Kirbonic_Pikmin]

The Mario supporters when they try to make any thread basically have been exhausted out of debating so the verse is just stuck in a limbo state of inactivity

I thought it’s because there’s an ongoing major revision for splitting some canon stuff that’s on hiatus that’s preventing progression ? A lot of threads just keep getting out off / put on hold because of this canon split stuff I’ve noticed.

Also just saying that DB ain't having Dante win against Bayo or Kratos lol

And that blog for Dante and Bayo feels redundant since we already know what G1 peeps peg Dante at and it's like Island level. Sure he has a **** ton of hax but I don't think it will save him

They’re actually re-evaluating DMC stats and I know some people working on the G1 blog have a lot of issues with the original G1 argument. The stats are very likely going to be different.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I thought it’s because there’s an ongoing major revision for splitting some canon stuff that’s on hiatus that’s preventing progression

Nah it's been decided that outside of Paper Mario nothing in the canon is getting split anymore. It's why the profile for the Mario Kart version of Mario was very short lived and got deleted.

She's genuinely like potentially Top 3 or 5

Def top 5