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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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JoshDoshMosh said:
Yeah, they called him Friday, he’s also a reskin of Redrum who’s a Stephen King reference
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the cruel irony that he looks MASSIVELY more like Trevor Moorhouse from Bloody Murder which is a knockoff of Jason Voorhees and is down to the same type of Hockeymask and chainsaw, and is a reskin of Redrum (obviously Murder backwards) is the most surreal reference I've ever seen
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TMaakkonen said:
Oh right one milestone was reached with this season half.

The absolute worst VG representation in season half ever with only 1 VG rep during a half, when compared to S7 & S8.

are VG fans over-entitled because technically early seasons' legacy still means VGs are most represented of all medias
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maybe the suits behind DB ran the same audit as i did and realized VG match-ups don't draw anymore for mysterious reasons. Jinx is a video game character, but let's face it, she only showed up because of Arcane.

Omnilander just passed Mario vs Sonic 2, everybody's favorite episode after all! and WandaZee just passed AkumaKahn!

anyways I think 1.4m ish for Herkong in a week is a respectable performance for an unexpected unique episode. I'm sure they'll take that anyday over an less than 1mil performance.
 
Theburgerking11 said:
maybe the suits behind DB ran the same audit as i did and realized VG match-ups don't draw anymore for mysterious reasons. Jinx is a video game character, but let's face it, she only showed up because of Arcane.

Omnilander just passed Mario vs Sonic 2, everybody's favorite episode after all! and WandaZee just passed AkumaKahn!

anyways I think 1.4m ish for Herkong in a week is a respectable performance for an unexpected unique episode. I'm sure they'll take that anyday over an less than 1mil performance.
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Now, should we be prepared that
1. Fewer or no more ad characters in the future (because the tendency to wank/highball ad characters backfire)
2. Fewer and fading away "joke episodes" in the future (because "joke episode" is less liked)
3. Fewer or no more WWF episodes in the future (because they flopped in the first episode with a WWF character)
4. More spite episodes because OmniLander skyrockets. Arguably HerKong also counts.
5. More battles with ancient literature verse characters
6. Fewer episodes with communist China verse characters (because Harley Jinx is less popular than Wanda Zee)
7. More Japan ACGN verses. We need more. WE NEED MORE!
 
Jasonsith said:
Now, should we be prepared that
(Ditto)
4. More spite episodes because OmniLander skyrockets. Arguably HerKong also counts.
(Ditto)
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The_Smashor said:
no it does not
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So what are the mockery against Hercules? Or how do you see Scorpion demon at "sealed Wukong tier" with 5D poison manipulation?

Sure those are minorities and most people just simply do not buy G1 cosmology comparison and are glad "at least" Rooster Teeth do not downplay Sun Wukong - no harder than downplaying Heracles. And most accept Heracross dies to Infernape so Heracles dies to Sun Wukong is simply expected.
 
Jasonsith said:
So what are the mockery against Hercules? Or how do you see Scorpion demon at "sealed Wukong tier" with 5D poison manipulation?
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what the hell are you talking about?

Sun Wukong wasn't put at 5D, he was only put at infinite 3D, same as Herc. Even if he was, lifting a 5D construct dosn't make you immune to 3D poison.

And that poison wasn't at any really risk at killing Sun, even Pigsy was able to survive it. It's just he was hurt by it. And that dosn't really mean anything since it's poison, it inherently ignores durability, that's the entire point.
 
The_Smashor said:
Even if he was, lifting a 5D construct dosn't make you immune to 3D poison.
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Maybe we could consider the poison as 5D?
Jasonsith said:
Sure those are minorities and most people just simply do not buy G1 cosmology comparison and are glad "at least" Rooster Teeth do not downplay Sun Wukong - no harder than downplaying Heracles. And most accept Heracross dies to Infernape so Heracles dies to Sun Wukong is simply expected.
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The cosmology is one of the controversial things. The episode may receive backlash if Monkey loses.
 
Theburgerking11 said:
maybe the suits behind DB ran the same audit as i did and realized VG match-ups don't draw anymore for mysterious reasons. Jinx is a video game character, but let's face it, she only showed up because of Arcane.

Omnilander just passed Mario vs Sonic 2, everybody's favorite episode after all! and WandaZee just passed AkumaKahn!
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I kinda feel like its because their choices for VG matchups as of late have been... pretty poor? A lot of major recent VG MUs have had something kinda wrong with the episode itself, Akuma vs Shao Khan was widely agreed to be a problem-ridden episode, Mario vs Sonic 2 is also generally seen as not that great. I don't think I'd ever seen a single person request Sindel vs Black Canary or Goro vs Machamp. Sabrewolf vs Jon was a pretty niche episode and, all things considered, did pretty okay for itself.

Grey Zone has Flash vs Sonic doing some of the best numbers of its season, and while Archie Sonic is a comic, it's based on a game franchise, with more people being familiar with the games than the comics.

Otherwise, Yoda vs Mickey and Shadow vs Ryuko both did pretty well for themselves, and several VG MUs did pretty well a few seasons back.

Considering they all keep passing on major, popular VG matches that would draw numbers (Dante vs Kratos, for examples) and have waited so long on VG matches that could've done big numbers until they're no longer relevant (Cole vs Alex), they're fumbling a lot of major VG MU chances. I think this is less "VG matches don't pull" and more "VG matches have been of mixed quality and strange picks lately".

And also, Omnilander is a lightning in a bottle MU. It's been popular outside of the versus community ever since both shows aired, and the episode was tailor made to appeal to as wide an audience as possible. We will likely never have a comic match, or any match at all, do numbers like that again unless we miraculously get new series' that get as big and trend as much as Invincible and The Boys did (or unless Gohan vs Invincible does similarly well, which is possible or the possibility of a Gru vs Megamind sweep). No recent episode, comic or otherwise, has performed remotely as well as it has, not even the ******* Saitama episode with a bigger budget did, you know, literally THE character that's a mainstream "oh he can fight anyone!" character.
 
Holy looks like I almost reignited the flame died down.



Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
I kinda feel like its because their choices for VG matchups as of late have been... pretty poor? A lot of major recent VG MUs have had something kinda wrong with the episode itself, Akuma vs Shao Khan was widely agreed to be a problem-ridden episode, Mario vs Sonic 2 is also generally seen as not that great. I don't think I'd ever seen a single person request Sindel vs Black Canary or Goro vs Machamp. Sabrewolf vs Jon was a pretty niche episode and, all things considered, did pretty okay for itself.

Grey Zone has Flash vs Sonic doing some of the best numbers of its season, and while Archie Sonic is a comic, it's based on a game franchise, with more people being familiar with the games than the comics.

Otherwise, Yoda vs Mickey and Shadow vs Ryuko both did pretty well for themselves, and several VG MUs did pretty well a few seasons back.

Considering they all keep passing on major, popular VG matches that would draw numbers (Dante vs Kratos, for examples) and have waited so long on VG matches that could've done big numbers until they're no longer relevant (Cole vs Alex), they're fumbling a lot of major VG MU chances. I think this is less "VG matches don't pull" and more "VG matches have been of mixed quality and strange picks lately".

And also, Omnilander is a lightning in a bottle MU. It's been popular outside of the versus community ever since both shows aired, and the episode was tailor made to appeal to as wide an audience as possible. We will likely never have a comic match, or any match at all, do numbers like that again unless we miraculously get new series' that get as big and trend as much as Invincible and The Boys did (or unless Gohan vs Invincible does similarly well, which is possible or the possibility of a Gru vs Megamind sweep). No recent episode, comic or otherwise, has performed remotely as well as it has, not even the ******* Saitama episode with a bigger budget did, you know, literally THE character that's a mainstream "oh he can fight anyone!" character.
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Yeah sometimes the crew members just screw themselves over good matchups or... just pick weird or unpopular matchups or they picked good ones but screwed themselves over with so many aspects.

TBF Omnilander has some extra budget on it being hand-drawn and is therefore being cheaper than Saitama vs Popeye but not by a big amount. And yeah unlikely this boost can be replicated easily. Magnetsuo went back to 1.8 m after Omnilander's 5.7 m.



That aside...
It is pretty clear that Death Battle officially now says through Ben Singer that real religion figures will not be combatants in Death Battle. How do you think this will be affecting the future matchups?

1. Like, how much Chinese and/or Hindu mythology go to the real religion part and what goes to the mythology and legends and classic literature part?
2. Does this affect the chance (if any) of characters like KOS-MOS from coming to Death Battle? (Like, the whole Xenosaga has been evolved from the Christian bible and associated mythologies so hard not even VBW has rebuilt it since the last tear-off)
3. Since Macho-aids flops hard... Do you feel the crew will cancel or even suspend any future WWF or ad mascot character from a Death Battle? (We see people still want really big names like Hulk Hogan and The Undertaker to come,and while cereal mascot battle royale/tournament does not seem to do good enough there are still some other ad characters on the table IG just being stacked at the very bottom of the long list)



Should we be glad that when the movie was out not much bad fame comes from that controversy because the movie is "definitely speaking the truth"...

... and this is not brought back into attention.
 
Jasonsith said:
That aside...
It is pretty clear that Death Battle officially now says through Ben Singer that real religion figures will not be combatants in Death Battle. How do you think this will be affecting the future matchups?

1. Like, how much Chinese and/or Hindu mythology go to the real religion part and what goes to the mythology and legends and classic literature part?
2. Does this affect the chance (if any) of characters like KOS-MOS from coming to Death Battle? (Like, the whole Xenosaga has been evolved from the Christian bible and associated mythologies so hard not even VBW has rebuilt it since the last tear-off)
3. Since Macho-aids flops hard... Do you feel the crew will cancel or even suspend any future WWF or ad mascot character from a Death Battle? (We see people still want really big names like Hulk Hogan and The Undertaker to come,and while cereal mascot battle royale/tournament does not seem to do good enough there are still some other ad characters on the table IG just being stacked at the very bottom of the long list)



Should we be glad that when the movie was out not much bad fame comes from that controversy because the movie is "definitely speaking the truth"...

... and this is not brought back into attention.
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2. I imagine fictional representations of characters will be fine, as nobody's thrown a fit over any of the various re-interpretations of mythological or religious figures, or the variety of "Gods" in fiction ever making it on the show. They'll just never touch the original, real world religion versions of them.

3. I'll be honest, I don't think there's any other WWE MU's they'd touch besides The Undertaker vs Itachi Uchiha, as I've not really heard anybody talk about them in general. They might just do Undertaker v Itachi regardless because it has a Naruto character attached to it, thus instantly guaranteeing it'll get some views at least.

Machoaids flopping just depends on what they take from it flopping. Whether they look at it purely as a number-crunching method of "hm wow the WWE vs Mascot match didn't do well, guess we'll never do any of those again", or if they look at the feedback from the episode and realize "hm the fans genuinely enjoyed when the characters were fighting in this animation, but they didn't like the large focus on internal DB lore and character development, or the structure of the analysis, we should try again but in a more traditional sense and use the feedback we were given to improve."
 
Jasonsith said:
2. Does this affect the chance (if any) of characters like KOS-MOS from coming to Death Battle? (Like, the whole Xenosaga has been evolved from the Christian bible and associated mythologies so hard not even VBW has rebuilt it since the last tear-off)
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Probably, I mean Liam’s brought up SMTs YHVH as a possible dude they can do, which is literally God, so I’d imagine it’s not out of the question.
 
Jasonsith said:
3. Since Macho-aids flops hard... Do you feel the crew will cancel or even suspend any future WWF or ad mascot character from a Death Battle?
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I feel like Death Battle would probably assume that the focus on plot hurt the episode's view count at least a little bit. I feel like they'd be willing to try another wrestling or mascot DB if another matchup gets popular.
 
Jasonsith said:
2. Does this affect the chance (if any) of characters like KOS-MOS from coming to Death Battle? (Like, the whole Xenosaga has been evolved from the Christian bible and associated mythologies so hard not even VBW has rebuilt it since the last tear-off)
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Are you sure the reason why KOS-MOS is deleted is because religious stuff? I suppose the reason why it is not built yet is just because no one has made a profile yet. Not to say an attempt to delete Sun Wukong, arguing the possible religious contents, has been rejected and Xenosaga is not even noted by supporters of the deletion.
Jasonsith said:
3. Since Macho-aids flops hard... Do you feel the crew will cancel or even suspend any future WWF or ad mascot character from a Death Battle? (We see people still want really big names like Hulk Hogan and The Undertaker to come,and while cereal mascot battle royale/tournament does not seem to do good enough there are still some other ad characters on the table IG just being stacked at the very bottom of the long list)
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I think it is natural for them to do something with more benefit and less controversy. But I personally do like to see something new.
TUHTPeaSkull12 said:
yes, the reaction was going to be much more violent if monkey lost.
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And now monkey wins, they can become somewhat joyful and creative rather than... aggressive.
Jasonsith said:
That aside...
It is pretty clear that Death Battle officially now says through Ben Singer that real religion figures will not be combatants in Death Battle. How do you think this will be affecting the future matchups?
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I'd like to know the original sentence since it can be interrupted as nothing different from VS Battles Wiki's current rule.
 
JoshDoshMosh said:
Probably, I mean Liam’s brought up SMTs YHVH as a possible dude they can do, which is literally God, so I’d imagine it’s not out of the question.
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Everyone can be called a god whoever the authors dare to.

SMT YHVH literally has an evil mode.

And the real god in SMT is not even SMT YHVH but the great axiom.

Mariogoods said:
Are you sure the reason why KOS-MOS is deleted is because religious stuff? I suppose the reason why it is not built yet is just because no one has made a profile yet. Not to say an attempt to delete Sun Wukong, arguing the possible religious contents, has been rejected and Xenosaga is not even noted by supporters of the deletion.

I think it is natural for them to do something with more benefit and less controversy. But I personally do like to see something new.

And now monkey wins, they can become somewhat joyful and creative rather than... aggressive.

I'd like to know the original sentence since it can be interrupted as nothing different from VS Battles Wiki's current rule.
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There are traits KOS-MOS being created and subsequently deleted.

And the original sentence is from the recent Death Battle Cast.

Nothing really new, but rather clarifying what their current stance on religious works and any associated products.
 
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Jasonsith said:
There are traits KOS-MOS being created and subsequently deleted.
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Well... It is 2022 now and the last time in the log is 7 January 2017. It is enough for people to simply lose interest in making KOS-MOS's profile. And that's why we VS Battles Wiki currently does not give pre-2000 games enough love despite they may be very popular at that time.
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IDK if it includes verses such as SMT. IDK.

On an unrelated note, I have made a The Boys (unfinished) list of feats:
 
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Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
Considering they all keep passing on major, popular VG matches that would draw numbers (Dante vs Kratos, for examples) and have waited so long on VG matches that could've done big numbers until they're no longer relevant (Cole vs Alex), they're fumbling a lot of major VG MU chances. I think this is less "VG matches don't pull" and more "VG matches have been of mixed quality and strange picks lately".
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This
Its not that they don't draw the choices they been making in regards to it been a hit n miss

The_Smashor said:
I feel like Death Battle would probably assume that the focus on plot hurt the episode's view count at least a little bit. I feel like they'd be willing to try another wrestling or mascot DB if another matchup gets popular.
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This too

Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
if they look at the feedback from the episode and realize "hm the fans genuinely enjoyed when the characters were fighting in this animation, but they didn't like the large focus on internal DB lore and character development, or the structure of the analysis, we should try again but in a more traditional sense and use the feedback we were given to improve."
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This as well
 
Tipper17 said:
Considering they all keep passing on major, popular VG matches that would draw numbers (Dante vs Kratos, for examples) and have waited so long on VG matches that could've done big numbers until they're no longer relevant (Cole vs Alex), they're fumbling a lot of major VG MU chances. I think this is less "VG matches don't pull" and more "VG matches have been of mixed quality and strange picks lately".
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Its not that they don't draw the choices they been making in regards to it been a hit n miss
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These really.

Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
I'll be honest, I don't think there's any other WWE MU's they'd touch besides The Undertaker vs Itachi Uchiha, as I've not really heard anybody talk about them in general. They might just do Undertaker v Itachi regardless because it has a Naruto character attached to it, thus instantly guaranteeing it'll get some views at least.

Machoaids flopping just depends on what they take from it flopping. Whether they look at it purely as a number-crunching method of "hm wow the WWE vs Mascot match didn't do well, guess we'll never do any of those again", or if they look at the feedback from the episode and realize "hm the fans genuinely enjoyed when the characters were fighting in this animation, but they didn't like the large focus on internal DB lore and character development, or the structure of the analysis, we should try again but in a more traditional sense and use the feedback we were given to improve."
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Well according the comment section, it seems the audience are happy with the Death Battle plot elements.

They are just individually, objectively very angry on the massive downplay on WWF/WWE - so angry they refuse to watch the episode while requesting big names like Hulk Hogan, John Cena and The Undertaker to come to Death Battle.

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Boomstick about to beat the shit out a Murph
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Wait when this agender, non-binary alien has actually performed feats or fought someone who has.

... Oh a request for a Death Battle is there already.



Wonder if people still remember Pepsiman vs Coca-cola Polar Bear - yet another overdue matchup.
 
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