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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Joycap said:
  • Characters made aware of the makings of their own world, and what it means to live in them (Beanstalk / Fluctlights and the Underworld). Commentaries on the state of their respective worlds and their futures. Oh and Heathcliff's history with SAO's narrative can be seen as similar to Zanza/Klaus's history with Xenoblade's narrative [see also].
  • Both have survived death of a sort (Dickson backstabbing @ Mechonis core / Aincrad post-grace period). Both have also lost friends and managed to regain them (Fiora and Asuna respectively).
  • Both are swordies (duh). I daresay the god tiers of their respective verses.
  • Both spend off-time in scientific or otherwise technological fields of work (Shulk being a weapons scientist, Kirito being a hardware boffin, and looking to the future of VR as it pertains to it's proliferation within his generation).
  • Both may or may not be commentaries on survivors guilt, and what can be done with varying power (causality, understanding emotion in an ever-automated and atomised world etc.). Shulk having a vision about people like Sorean he was ultimately unable to save could be seen as not too dissimilar to Kirito seeing Eugeo's death as tantamount to Asuna's near-miss, and knowing he shouldn't have gotten away with it. In fact, both have outbursts in their inactivity (Mechonis core arc and WoU Episode 18 respectively).
  • Both can be considered RPG protagonists as much as they are video game characters.

Also Kirito would probably mistake Shulk for Eugeo. Admit it lol.

Anyway, this would probably be your tagline:

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(yes, this is like my 2nd edit of the post lol)
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Doesn't sound too bad. But still, they're both better off facing other people.
 
Jasonsith said:
Kuroyukihime is the female main protagonist of Accel World.
Shiroe is the male main protagonist of Log Horizon.
Maple is the female main protagonist of Itai no wa Iya nano de Bougyoryoku ni Kyokufuri Shitai to Omoimasu (Bofuri).

All three (with Kirito) are online game players with a very powerful game avatar.
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Joycap said:
And I don't suppose that's their only relation to him? Is there any comparisons to be drawn from narrative morals? Similarities in fighting styles? Friend/Family relations?

Also, I understand that Accel World is an SAO shared universe? I'm starting to have second thoughts about that kind of matchup knowing the oddities of cross-verse fights (and yes, that would mean I'm willing to drop Malos's placement on my Shulk VS MU chart just so I don't look like a hypocrite).
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Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
I knew Accel World and SAO had the same writer, but I didn't know they were in the same universe.
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Well this relationship (Sword Art Online and Accel World) is still just a rumor.

But Kuroyukihime does share some close connections with Kirito, as both use a high-speed, dual-sword fighting style and is skilled in close combat.

Speaking of which, Shiroe and Kirito also share close connections as both are male protagonists who are somehow locked at an online game and has to face dire situations to get out of them.

Oh there is one contrast thing: while Kirito is known for being super fast in the online game and is very athletic in "reality" like outside the game world, Kaede Honjou (Maple) is below average student outside the game world and her avatar adopts a tanking and counter striking style.

All four characters prefer black clothing and are also leaders / "guild masters" of their respective online game clans or worlds. (Shiroe is the Guild Master of Log Horizon, Maple the guild master of Maple Tree, Kuroyukihime the leader of Nega Nebulus, and Kirito (Despite given high regard in a clan as he joins a few) is the Star King during the two hundred years worth of time in Underworld)

My list can go on but I am about to work soon and I have a bunch of calc requests and evaluation works.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
Im pretty sure we can never have a Naruto vs One Piece matchup that isn't the god tiers without it being a stomp in OP favour.

that FTL feats is really something else.
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As a One Piece fan, those FTL feats Death Battle used were bullshit. Luffy was using haki in that scene, like he just trained for 2 years to learn haki so no shit he was using it to aim dodge the light beams.
 
Jasonsith said:
Well this relationship (Sword Art Online and Accel World) is still just a rumor.

But Kuroyukihime does share some close connections with Kirito, as both use a high-speed, dual-sword fighting style and is skilled in close combat.

Speaking of which, Shiroe and Kirito also share close connections as both are male protagonists who are somehow locked at an online game and has to face dire situations to get out of them.

Oh there is one contrast thing: while Kirito is known for being super fast in the online game and is very athletic in "reality" like outside the game world, Kaede Honjou (Maple) is below average student outside the game world and her avatar adopts a tanking and counter striking style.

All four characters prefer black clothing and are also leaders / "guild masters" of their respective online game clans or worlds. (Shiroe is the Guild Master of Log Horizon, Maple the guild master of Maple Tree, Kuroyukihime the leader of Nega Nebulus, and Kirito (Despite given high regard in a clan as he joins a few) is the Star King during the two hundred years worth of time in Underworld)

My list can go on but I am about to work soon and I have a bunch of calc requests and evaluation works.
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I'm mostly going to wait until you've finished that list, but a lot of this boils down to "they are VRMMORPG players", which when searching for applicable matchups feels a little too herp-a-derp for my taste.

Take something like my updated Melia VS MU chart as an example, and how I recently put Dark Queen Merlina in the tied top spot. Yes, Melia; Calista and Merlina are all 'queens of dying lands' in that sense, but the prospect of Melia vs Calista, atop the Operation Rainfall legacy MU, has their respective narratives call into question their viability as queens, either in upholding a legacy (Sorean / Consort System / Arganan legacy etc.) or realising that monarchs as we see them are no longer fit for purpose (something very explicit in The Last Story, and something Xenoblade FE tips it's hat too on more than one occasion). Black Knight also has elements of this when asking 'what good a world is that is eternal / goes on forever', which is not only one of the Sonic series' nodes to libertarianism (fates worse than death etc.), but the storybook source material is what spawned these archetypes to begin with. A potential contrast is Merlina's arrogance in her role for the world that she inhabits, whereas Melia is still uncertain in altruism. Also it's not a complete stat stomp, so there's that.

Nero415 said:
Neo and Lightning respectively
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Y'know, whenever I think "Neo" I keep thinking of Neo Politan from RWBY. But I get it, it's the Matrix, and while I used to think that initial suggestion was hella cursed, I've warmed to the idea somewhat when considering the implications for our near future. Still haven't watched the Matrix though, so jury is out on whether it's really going to bolt up my list of favourites.

Lightning, though... y'all already know my stance on that...

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