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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Ok, then do you think they'll keep him consistent to those levels, or go even further beyond. Because if we play the scaling game, Doom's AP and Speed can get pretty out there. I'd say he could maybe be a match for chrome dome.
ZephyrosOmega said:
Good thing Superman isn't the only kryptonian he regularly tangles with. Supergirl, Black Supergirl, Powergirl, Superdoom, Ultraman, etc.
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wuh?
 
ZephyrosOmega said:
Good thing Superman isn't the only kryptonian he regularly tangles with. Supergirl, Black Supergirl, Powergirl, Superdoom, Ultraman, etc.
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Supergirl also holds back I'd assume, as does Powergirl. I have no idea who the hell Black Supergirl and Superdoom are, and Ultraman has a consistent weakness of never fighting people on his actual level and thus not knowing how.
 
The_Smashor said:
Well in that case they obviously need to hold back otherwise there literally wouldn't be a ******* story.
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Oh, are you still on that "DC characters can't be scaled cause they're as strong as the plot needs them to be" shit

Just cause Ant gave your rant thread validation without giving anyone else a chance to respond doesn't mean your "argument" has any grounds to stand on.
 
ZephyrosOmega said:
Oh, are you still on that "DC characters can't be scaled cause they're as strong as the plot needs them to be" shit

Just cause Ant gave your rant thread validation without giving anyone else a chance to respond doesn't mean your "argument" has any grounds to stand on.
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This literally has nothing to do with that. What I'm saying is if Supergirl is as strong as Superman and dosn't hold back, then every villain that isn't herald level would never be an issue.

She can't be as strong as Superman and not hold back. It's literally impossible if you want to have an actual plot with any sort of dramatic suspense.
 
Doom has a spell list beyond Doctor Strange and the Scarlet Witch. Are you telling me Lex stands a remote chance against that?

Edit: You can draw comparisons to Zuko vs Todoroki with this matchup. You have someone who just uses technology vs someone who uses both technology and magic way stronger than any of the first guy's technology. Lex beating Doom would be as stupid as Flash outrunning the Speed Force.
 
The_Smashor said:
Doom has a spell list beyond Doctor Strange and the Scarlet Witch. Are you telling me Lex stands a remote chance against that?
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Doom's magic knowledge is not beyond Strange's, that's a huge misconception. He's second-place to Strange, and being the sorcerer supreme gives Stephen access to artifacts and the like that put him beyond Doom. Doom learned things that Strange did not, but that means they have differing knowledge, not that he's superior. That scan from Strange was explicitly talking about Doom gaining knowledge that was lost in the modern age due to traveling through time.

And Wanda doesn't use spells. in D&D terms, She's a sorcerer, not a wizard. She uses raw magic.
 
ZephyrosOmega said:
Doom's magic knowledge is not beyond Strange's, that's a huge misconception. He's second-place to Strange, and being the sorcerer supreme gives Stephen access to artifacts and the like that put him beyond Doom. Doom learned things that Strange did not, but that means they have differing knowledge, not that he's superior.
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Eh, fair, but knowing things that the Sorcerer Supreme dosn't know is way above Lex's spell list, which is last I checked exactly nothing.
 
The_Smashor said:
You act like Lex is going to go for the speed blitz and one shot before monologuing for five minutes about his superiority.

And once again, any and all of Lex's Herald scaling comes from
  1. A character who constantly holds back and he's weakening with a radioactive rock
  2. A character who constantly holds back to the extent that his rogue's gallery is almost all street tier.
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No to sound rude or arrogant but if you can say something for once that doesn't look wrong from a mile away then I won't get the feeling of having to sit down and explain things up when deciding to do so, and that would be nice. Please do look just how wrong this is and think it over.
  • Speed blitz sounds far less mighty of a thing to do when you can just walk to a foe and they do nothing as if frozen in time, if anything why would Lex wait for Doom to do something?
  • Even if their speeds were closer than it, to objectively say Lex will talk, let alone monologue, isn't assured at all.
  • Also 5 minutes? I know you exaggerate but you don't give a real time for this and any amount that would make Lex miss how Doom does something w/o stopping him would just be cartoonish.
  • Don't have the proof, but Superman facing that weakness doesn't just kick him down to human level at once at the time, he can still keep up with beings in his speed and harm them at time, and it's possible, if not 100% for sure, that this much happens against Lex, hence he also scales to other beings on Supes' level as others pointed out before many times. There you go.
  • Even while "holding back" those characters can still be given a tier and speed above Doom's. Having the speed needed to blitz Doom doesn't really take much, I can see him being FTL at best by their scaling to Spider-Man, or even Sub-Relativistic would be good because of the Human Torch, which we may or may not put the FF characters at in the future, but nothing at MFTL, let alone MFTL+, and DC characters are kinda super consistent there. For tier they just have to have something on tier 4 and that can beat Doom, that's less consistent but it does exist to make legit scaling. Granted maybe Doom's forcefield can be scaled to herald level, which really holds an argument to be had unlike Doom himself, but he doesn't always has it, he needs to create it and keep it, feeling like creating it first. If you want to use the argument that this characters hold back again then you can be informative on it and point out at what level would you put them while they hold back and how anything higher is a no-no.
The_Smashor said:
I should also note that our own wiki only considers Doom to be 5-A physically. With technology, separate from preparation, he's considered to be Herald level, even with our absurdly conservative estimates.
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No we don't, he's on Cap's level physically, "with technology" goes as in non-standard tech he can come up with, otherwise why would we put he can fight BP or get sniped & killed by Taskmaster. Reading our profiles shouldn't be such a struggle.
 
The_Smashor said:
Lex has 20, maybe 25 levels in Artificer while Doom has 20 levels in Artificer and 20 levels in Wizard.
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If we're talking intelligence and prep shit now, Lex is an infinity to Doom's 20:

"He's got stuff on the level of Merlin that he uses against the Batman Who Laughs.
He made the stuff to make himself into an Apex Predator.
And forcefully merged himself with the Zone Child and removed all negativity within "the universe" temporarily to an extent to where Death of the Endless stopped doing her job for awhile.
He's got this stuff that can mind hax Mxy to an extent to where Mxy starts actually using his full power against his foes and begins destroying the Writer."

And he's also smarter than Reverse Flash, who made the negative speedforce which is essentially a cancer that will consume the (High) 1-A Speed Force if Barry stops generating it. Oh and Mxy's High 1-A.
 
Greenshifter said:
If we're talking intelligence and prep shit now, Lex is an infinity to Doom's 20:

"He's got stuff on the level of Merlin that he uses against the Batman Who Laughs.
He made the stuff to make himself into an Apex Predator.
And forcefully merged himself with the Zone Child and removed all negativity within "the universe" temporarily to an extent to where Death of the Endless stopped doing her job for awhile.
He's got this stuff that can mind hax Mxy to an extent to where Mxy starts actually using his full power against his foes and begins destroying the Writer."

And he's also smarter than Reverse Flash, who made the negative speedforce which is essentially a cancer that will consume the (High) 1-A Speed Force if Barry stops generating it. Oh and Mxy's High 1-A.
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Doesn't really matter tbh, DB isn't giving either character tier 1 scaling let alone 1-A or above lol!
 
Jasonsith said:
Or Cereal Mascot Battle Royale or Disney Princess Battle Royale.

Or say screw it and promote Liu Kang vs Jago for MK the movie.
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Btw what do we mean by cereal mascots? I understand it's most likely some Kellog's characters, but can it also be... Nestle's mascots for instance?
Loh67867 said:
I hate the concept of Disney Princess Battle Royale, it has absolutely no animation potential
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Basically it would be Mulan vs Moana vs Rapunzel vs Elsa vs Raya and maybe vs that ginger princess.
Other would automatically die.
 
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