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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

I hate how Twitter knows I like DB (well I hate Twitter in general but that’s not the point). Because of this I get tons of posts from accounts who do almost nothing except talk about death battle (I call them death battle influencers), and their takes are ******* abysmal a lot of the time.

I swear half of their “wanted matchups” lists are shared with other influencers because they’re always talking about supporting matchups that other influencers want because they’re friends. So it leads to this weird circlejerk of matchups only like 12 or so Twitter accounts want and children will simp for those matchups because the influencers like them.

Remember when nemesis Bloodryche made a video saying “stop parroting my opinions” as soon as megatron vs frieza got announced? More of them need to do this.
Tbh it's why I don't bother following any DB influencer or watch them because most of the time they saying shit others already been saying
The community be putting them too much on a pedestal instead of just looking at them as regular people
 
A bit related or unrelated, but I tend to unfollow or take less seriously the opinions about Death Battle from people who are friends with the Death Battle staff. I feel there's a conflict of interest with those people being their friends and all. (Also, they tend to have very similar opinions to each other)
 
So like, could Yuji just punch Pochita out of Denji?
If Makima with her ludicrous laundry list of abilities couldn't effectively do it (tbf she initially had little reason to do so), I doubt Yuji could, not that he needs to since he has other win-cons.
Punch and use Soul Dismantles and Cleaves.
^Casing point.


Tho equipment/summon interface seldom comes up in a DB animation I've notice like Link potentially stealing Cloud's Buster Sword, Mario collecting Sonic's rings, Ben hacking Hal's ring, etc. Snake Vs Sam is probably the biggest example of outside interference and equipment sabotage actually affecting the outcome of a battle, in most cases it's actually pretty uncommon on DB.
 
^Casing point.


Tho equipment/summon interface seldom comes up in a DB animation I've notice like Link potentially stealing Cloud's Buster Sword, Mario collecting Sonic's rings, Ben hacking Hal's ring, etc. Snake Vs Sam is probably the biggest example of outside interference affecting the outcome of a battle, in most cases it's actually pretty uncommon on DB.
They could still do it for the animation, they did a similar thing with Dragonborn vs Chosen Undead
 
The conceptual manip due to being able interact with souls
How is that not just soul manipulation :V

Semi-Related note, while it is a statement feat, thus sus for him, the fact that Kratos actually has literal statements for fighting someone who eats concepts, Garm, is kinda funny. Too bad that specifically wouldnt beat on-screen feats, but I do have seen that Asura can destroy concepts, so there is argument that Kratos could resist Asura's concept manipulation to a degree at least.
 
The conceptual manip due to being able interact with souls

If I punched air it is means I punched concept of universe level bullshit
How is that not just soul manipulation :V
Iirc it's more than just being able to interact with souls that gives Doomguy conceptual manip in DOOM souls have essence. There's an entire page explaining DOOM essence and its nature, I would link it but the wiki is down for me rn.
 
How is that not just soul manipulation :V

Semi-Related note, while it is a statement feat, thus sus for him, the fact that Kratos actually has literal statements for fighting someone who eats concepts, Garm, is kinda funny. Too bad that specifically wouldnt beat on-screen feats, but I do have seen that Asura can destroy concepts, so there is argument that Kratos could resist Asura's concept manipulation to a degree at least.
Not just Non-Physical Interaction*
 
It's going to be a hax vs ap match now isn't it, but this time Pochita might end up being both faster and stronger unless Yuji pulls up with his Domain Expansion right away
it depends on the yield of the explosion and if any other new speed feat happens. Because Yuji is for sure getting scaled to Jogos Maximum meteor and Hakari's lighting timing feat against Kashimo.
 
The conceptual manip due to being able interact with souls

If I "punched air" it means I punched "concept of air" level bullshit
How is that not just soul manipulation :V

The day people will start to read the justifications before straight up disagreeing with them is the day that powerscaling will end
 

The day people will start to read the justifications before straight up disagreeing with them is the day that powerscaling will end
You do not understand. Powerscaling is not about logic, it is not about the story, it’s not about the characters even—it’s about the AGENDA!!! Maintaining the team’s agenda is our top priority ‘round these parts, everything else comes second.
 
The day people will start to read the justifications before straight up disagreeing with them is the day that powerscaling will end
Even tho I implied it, I didnt properly say it, so saying it clearly now that as I havent followed Doom lore, I cant actually properly dismiss Doom stuff. Sure, I say it sounds like wank, but like every verse is wanked nowadays, what else is new lol

And frankly after DMC situation, I am not taking blogs at first glance. Hell, I played Persona 5R, so I can confidently post Kick the cat Gif because those stats are sus as hell.

I didnt properly read that Doom blog yet either, so I still cant complain about it, but usually lore like this and actual events in story of games can lead to interpretation I would not agree with 100%. But hey, as I havent seen it, maybe I am being overly cautious here, no sarcasm.

I guess should go to YT to watch it but ehhh
 
AKA what i saying, he just punched this, which would qualify for NPI. No, he does not manipulates anything
Me when I don't bother to read the justification.

Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts. This ability has a variety of applications, ranging from not combat-applicable to incredibly dominating. Conceptual Manipulation involves the manipulation of concepts, and not the universe directly. However, through this power, one can change the universe's fundamental principles on the highest level.
 
Me when I don't bother to read the justification.
Repeating again: He does not manipulates anything, he just stabs open things. That's like saying that everyone who can interact with ghosts should have Soul Manipulation

"The use of Social Influencing or any non-supernatural power to achieve an alteration of a concept does not qualify as conceptual manipulation, as this is not a direct manipulation of the concept."
 
Me when I don't bother to read the justification to the second power.

Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts. This ability has a variety of applications, ranging from not combat-applicable to incredibly dominating. Conceptual Manipulation involves the manipulation of concepts, and not the universe directly. However, through this power, one can change the universe's fundamental principles on the highest level.
 
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