DC/Vertigo Cosmology Redo(Part 1 of 2)

[Antvasima]

Please elaborate regarding why you disagree here, Deagonx.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The topic of Vertigo was already long gone by then. Even then that would be 3-1. Ultima literally gave the green light to change it.

Guess I'll clarify I also agree with the Vertigo changes, but didn't feel the need to comment on them since that topic seemed concluded.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Yeah, I think waiting on Ultima is the only thing that is required. I already put Deagon for disagree, so I don't think extra reasoning matters unless Ant wants to favor Deagon take over Ultima.

 

[Antvasima]

Yeah, I think waiting on Ultima is the only thing that is required. I already put Deagon for disagree, so I don't think extra reasoning matters unless Ant wants to favor Deagon take over Ultima.

I would honestly prefer if @Elizio33 , @Firestorm808 , @Emirp sumitpo , and @Ultima_Reality all attempt to analyse this as well.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I'll explain it to you since I didn't really argue that hard for it with my discussion with Profectus. Which doesn't really ascertain anything about it being 1-A.

So, we already know the whole of Creation is just a dream from God. As DeMatteis said previously “The Dream is folded infinite amount of time:”

This is important because it's more relevant in the Silver Surfer scan but DeMatteis has a habit of recycling his work. However, what's more important is that the Oceans of Dreams convey the entire hierarchy given that the worlds come from it.

The important notion was from Spectre when one of its aspects mentioned the existence of “limitless planes of existence.” This is important because when Materna shows Helen that the material is the most basic level of existence, she traverses into another plane that's higher than the material as it is “deeper” within the Dream, but she never truly leaves the Gross plane of existence as she didn't reach the Stuble realms(Astral Plane) nor spiritual(Heaven). We also know from Doctor Fate that Heaven itself is not the end, and there are still deeper realms and things beyond conventional Heaven, and this is obvious since even Heaven like the entirety of the Universe is layered as Souls can descend throughs thousands of planes of existence. Each higher plane within each level of consciousness constitutes.

This is important because, in Willworld, the world is being dreamed of by someone, in the same, essence that someone else is dreaming of them. This also is important because when Spectre visited the Nexus to All realities, he saw all the parallel worlds and when he visited one, the dreamer had his own world as well as his own Heaven.

Profectus's weird argument about the CU is quite irrelevant because the CU does not deny the existence of infinite regression(higher plane) of dreams. His main argument stems from the “Multiverse having a parallel world” yet each of these “worlds” has literal worlds and literal Heavens of someone's choosing. Especially since the CU location and mannerisms to its importance are connceted to humanity, the Ocean of Dreams existed far prior as it was once an ocean of nothing until God forged duality and made Creation where it became the Sea of Love, an Ocean of Dreams, where worlds and humans came. It has nothing to do with the CU, so that's why I found Profectus's arguments plain wrong and straight-up just bizarre.

Refer to above for extra reasoning for the tiering(to the mods).

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[RigelBR7]

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