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DC Comics - Lucifer Abilities

ImmortalDread said:
Aha, so yours is valid because it does not “contradict” anything, but theirs that is only interpreting on a possibly rating which the panel suggests directly is invalid because there is no “feats” happened where you are aware that we give rating and abilities to statements and feats as well?

Furthermore, can you provide me with the evidence that supports your interpretation?
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I didn't said theirs is invalid because he dosen't show feats but because in the context of the story it just doesn't make sense.
 
But this conversation is clearly not going anywhere so just contact ant and see what's his opinion on this.
 
Gasper said:
No it dosen't. I am fully aware of context behind that scan. I also demonstrated how your interpretation is wrong.
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You haven't demonstrated anything. You have just changed your point from "its distance", "its not literal", "he hasn't shown it", "never comes up again" to now "context of the story". You have demonstratedly failed to prove any of the myriads of points you have made.
 
Immortalgodd said:
You haven't demonstrated anything. You have just changed your point from "its distance", "its not literal", "he hasn't shown it", "never comes up again" to now "context of the story". You have demonstratedly failed to prove any of the myriads of points you have made.
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It's literally multiple points demonstrating the same point. So just ignored most of my points as well.
But honestly i don't really care.
Please don't expect me to respond to your next comment.
 
Gasper said:
Whatever you say. You are the one who should provide evidence that he somehow merged with ******* overvoid which is laughably stupid argument to make in the first place.
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You are the only one bringing up Overvoid here.
 
Gasper said:
Whatever you say. You are the one who should provide evidence that he somehow merged with ******* overvoid which is laughably stupid argument to make in the first place.
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My request was for evidence to support your interpretation, but you have not provided any.
Based on my analysis of the panels, it appears that there are no anti-feats to contradict a possible rating.
 
ImmortalDread said:
My request was for evidence to support your interpretation, but you have not provided any.
Based on my analysis of the panels, it appears that there are no anti-feats to contradict a possible rating.
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There is literally nothing TO PROVIDE other than the whole merging with overvoid is completely unsoported. It's literally headcanon from one ******* statement on one panel. Like dude, how can we give a character an ability that he dosen't have?

Anti-feats have nothing to do with this argument at all. There can't be any anti feats for a supposed "feat" he never did.
I can also ask you to show any anti-feats for superman merging with the void, if there aren't any so that means he now has done that?
 
No one talked about overvoid tbh, at least I don't see any term in that panels lol?
Gasper said:
Anti-feats have nothing to do with this argument at all. There can't be any anti feats for a supposed "feat" he never did.
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No one claimed it is a feat, it is a statement which may be a true or false, which suffice the attributes of a possibly rating.
 
ImmortalDread said:
No one talked about overvoid tbh, at least I don't see any term in that panels lol?

No one claimed it is a feat, it is a statement which may be a true or false, which suffice the attributes of a possibly rating.
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So we're going to add one "possibly" ability to a character for one vegue statement that can mean multiple things? Do whatever you want.
 
Robo said:
alr then what about the ability where he destroyed the mansion of silence just by standing?
i was thinking passive existence erasure or passive environmental destruction
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Mansion of silence qualifies for ppssibly Low 1-C (contains several creations and universes inside mirrors in the mansion of silence and bigger than 2-A with enough context qualifies for Low 1-C )and I'd take it as AP than ability since if he does actually have passive EE, everyone who has been in contact with him would have been erased so I disagree with him having passive EE.
 
Vasco said:
Mansion of silence qualifies for ppssibly Low 1-C (contains several creations and universes inside mirrors in the mansion of silence and bigger than 2-A with enough context qualifies for Low 1-C )and I'd take it as AP than ability since if he does actually have passive EE, everyone who has been in contact with him would have been erased so I disagree with him having passive EE.
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It is more like the Mansions not being able to handle the presence of a being of Lucifer's caliber. Certainly not a passive ability. Elaine describes it as:
"There is too much power. Its like my will is the sun, my mind is the magnifying glass, and the Universe is an ant. If I focus too hard--"
 
Plus Lucifer stating it's not powerful enough to handle his presence also prove it wasn't EE.
Even Mazikeen said it can't handle Lucifer.
 
would it still work as environmental destruction and not ee-
i dont think it would be combat applicable tho
 
What are the conclusions here so far?
 
Robo said:
ah shit that contradicts non existent physiology
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I think there's more evidence it has NEP, like these-
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Snyder is neither the author of Lucifer nor the author of the Overvoid. He cannot confirm something like that. And I also get the weird feeling like this is probably another "ImaginaryAxis said it, Snyder said yeah" kind of situation.
 
Snyder didn't create the Overvoid, but he did write plenty of stories about it. In fact, he referenced the Overvoid, in the comics, more than Morrison himself.
 
Good for him. He didn't write the story of Lucifer involving the void, he cannot determine it's meaning. And, again, if this is something a youtuber said that he simply agreed to, then it especially doesn't count.
 
Deagonx said:
Good for him. He didn't write the story of Lucifer involving the void, he cannot determine it's meaning. And, again, if this is something a youtuber said that he simply agreed to, then it especially doesn't count.
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That is correct, yes.
 
Transcending said:
May I ask why agreeing with a youtuber does not count?
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Good grief. It is painfully obvious why that doesn't count.

According to this admin, WoG statements that result from leading questions are disregarded. A "yeah" in response to one of Tyler's personal conjecture is not evidence. Stop trying to use it, this isn't the first time.
 
Deagonx said:
Snyder is neither the author of Lucifer nor the author of the Overvoid. He cannot confirm something like that. And I also get the weird feeling like this is probably another "ImaginaryAxis said it, Snyder said yeah" kind of situation.
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THEY'RE DIFFERENT AUTHORS, BUT DIFFERENT AUTHORS MAKE UP THE LORE + IT JUST FITS, LUCIFER'S VOID IS THE VOID WHERE CREATIONS EXIST, SIMILAR TO OVERVOID.
 
Beyond_transcending said:
THEY'RE DIFFERENT AUTHORS, BUT DIFFERENT AUTHORS MAKE UP THE LORE
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That doesn't mean that they can impose their opinions upon comics they didn't write. However, this is moot, since Snyder never said such a thing, ImaginaryAxis did.

Beyond_transcending said:
IT JUST FITS, LUCIFER'S VOID IS THE VOID WHERE CREATIONS EXIST, SIMILAR TO OVERVOID.
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This is irrelevant to whether or not Snyder's ImaginaryAxis' statement is evidence. It isn't.
 
Deagonx said:
Good grief. It is painfully obvious why that doesn't count.

According to this admin, WoG statements that result from leading questions are disregarded. A "yeah" in response to one of Tyler's personal conjecture is not evidence. Stop trying to use it, this isn't the first time.
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Except Snyder neither said "yeah" nor did Tyler ask a leading question. Tyler made a statement that Lucifer flew through the Overvoid and Snyder said "right".
 
Transcending said:
Except Snyder neither said "yeah" nor did Tyler ask a leading question. Tyler made a statement that Lucifer flew through the Overvoid and Snyder said "right".
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Are you intentionally attempting to misunderstand? None of the important elements of what I said are contradicted by those details. It doesn't matter if the word was "yeah" or "right" and it doesn't matter whether it's a question or a statement. An author saying "right" to something a non-author said is not evidence whatsoever.

It will never be accepted as evidence here, as multiple staff members have confirmed.
 
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