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Agree with @VascoI cam agree for immortality type 5 since he didn't really tank any death manipulation attack but death seems to have no claim on him even he intended it to happen, so immortality type 5 is fine by me.
Scan didn't say "infinite" just shows possible deaths that could happen which he ignored.
Still resistance to probability manipulation but ask @Deagonx , I just skeptical on what to call such a manipulation to ignore possible death outcomes.
It said only when cain dies so I disagree since lucifer didn't kill him in the scan.
Agree to immortality type 2.
He resisted it before Elaine stepped in but I'd say resistance to body puppetry since she told him to bow which he resisted and while "weak" like you claim but could you send the scans?
Agree.
I don't see any healing more like resurrection.
Agree.
Seems more like durability negation and NPI.
This is obvious, Agree.
Agree.
Can you send scans of silkman immortality?
Agree.
Also, for his cloth manipulation... i think that's just matter manipulation.
I thought of this several times but his conversation with death of the endless never had him resist any death manipulation from her, more like she can't claim him at all and he refuses to be claimed by her which she didn't kinda deny and his also stated to be greater than her(death) so it kinda qualifies for Deathless immortality than resistance to death manipulation.Being beyond death shouldn't be immortality type 5. Just death manipulation resistance.
Yes, but if somebody has advanced matter manipulation it is kind of redundant to list cloth manipulation.Cloth manipulation page kinda exist.Cloth Manipulation
Cloth Manipulation (also known as Clothing Manipulation) is the ability to supernaturally use various cloths for combat and non-combat related uses. It is often applied to flexible materials you'd find on Earth like wool, cotton, leather, etc. However manipulation of clothes made from unnatural...vsbattles.fandom.com
Good point.I thought of this several times but his conversation with death of the endless never had him resist any death manipulation from her, more like she can't claim him at all and he refuses to be claimed by her which she didn't kinda deny and his also stated to be greater than her(death) so it kinda qualifies for Deathless immortality than resistance to death manipulation.
Yeah, i know.Cloth manipulation page kinda exist.Cloth Manipulation
Cloth Manipulation (also known as Clothing Manipulation) is the ability to supernaturally use various cloths for combat and non-combat related uses. It is often applied to flexible materials you'd find on Earth like wool, cotton, leather, etc. However manipulation of clothes made from unnatural...vsbattles.fandom.com
That's fine i guessI thought of this several times but his conversation with death of the endless never had him resist any death manipulation from her, more like she can't claim him at all and he refuses to be claimed by her which she didn't kinda deny and his also stated to be greater than her(death) so it kinda qualifies for Deathless immortality than resistance to death manipulation.
Yeah, i know.
So what? He just created a suit.
He didn't manipulate any cloth at all.
That's easily just matter manipulation
If lucifer has matter manipulation on profile then yeah it's kinda redundant to add it.Yes, but if somebody has advanced matter manipulation it is kind of redundant to list cloth manipulation.
So? Type 5 immortality is when you're neither dead and alive. And not just existing before death or anything like that.but he also existed before death itself
type 5 immo is when ur unbound by life and deathSo? Type 5 immortality is when you're neither dead and alive. And not just existing before death or anything like that.
No, unbound by life and death is just resistance to life and death.type 5 immo is when ur unbound by life and death
my guy, it says being unbound by life and death is immo 5 on the pageNo, unbound by life and death is just resistance to life and death.
Is he getting reincarnated or his body just keeping renewing itself without reincarnation?This is from lucifer nirvana but i dont have the scan, just the quote
"a fossil remnant from an earlier, cruder creation. His body is a weaving that has to be renewed constantly. His spirit too, come to that. A messy form of immortality, but it seems to do the job."
honestly have 0 idea, butIs he getting reincarnated or his body just keeping renewing itself without reincarnation?
Have all scans been sourced?
Immortality type 1? If not I don't see it as any negation just deconstruction.Wait lmao Lucifer should already have immortality negation because its already on his profile
"Turns an immortal woman to dust with a single tap"
So immortality negation via deconstruction
I'd need to see scans first to know the type of immortality silkman has.But his immortality negation via erasing silkman should be on a higher level because its either type 3 or 4
Since Silkman is never alive it should be immortality type 7 but I don't see it like negation of immortality type 7 since he erased him, just EE is enough.
Killing an immortality type 1 character doesn't grant negation, they just have eternal life.silkman was always alive until lucifer ee'd him what do you mean
You can EE undead beings and still not be negation.@Vasco oh i see now
Lucifer kinda did negate his immortality by ee'ing him tho
everything that vasco agreed with i thinkWhat are the conclusions here so far?
Wait a little. This needs to be handled first.Have all scans been sourced?
Pretty much done but the 3 scans i havent sourced yet can be dealt with until i find what issue its fromWait a little. This needs to be handled first.
Have all scans been sourced?
@Firestorm808Pretty much done but the 3 scans i havent sourced yet can be dealt with until i find what issue its from
Sandman Presents: Lucifer #1 for Healing and Lucifer (2000) #2 for Ink ManipNow you have to find the issues
Isn't that just the function of the water rather than Lucifer himself? This should be used instead:I wanted to add two abilities to Lucifer.
Healing- https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1005151876964155472/1076489119947042876/image0.jpg
Organic(ink) Manipulation-
The healing is, yes, but since equipment has been used for other characters for some of their abilities, I thought it could be used for Lucifer too.Isn't that just the function of the water rather than Lucifer himself?
it would be great if you had a scan for this
Lucifer Issue 9
Well, it has no feats of doing so. Anyway, isn't your argument that Lucifer merged with it? Void is nothingness so why would it need to erase?would the void be able to erase non immortals tho? because of the negation bit