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DC Comics - Lucifer Abilities

Just because we could potentially inhabit a room that contains only emptiness (regardless of whether we would survive in it or not) doesn't mean that I am synonymous with emptiness itself.
 
Gasper said:
Key word here is "might". Which isn't supported by the comic whatsoever.
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I thought it was a hoax that he couldn't merge with NEP 1, but a potential rating should suffice for now.
 
Gasper, there is no evidence to suggest that he is incapable of merging with void, so a potential rating should suffice for now. Additionally, your assertion seems to be based on your own interpretation. It's possible that one could become so insignificant and minute that they merge with emptiness and become void.
 
ImmortalDread said:
Gasper, there is no evidence to suggest that he is incapable of merging with void, so a potential rating should suffice for now. Additionally, your assertion seems to be based on your own interpretation. It's possible that one could become so insignificant and minute that they merge with emptiness and become void.
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That's the only time something like that is ever mentioned and never again. In the newer comics he clearly isn't merged with the void or anything ridiculous like that.
 
Gasper said:
That's the only time something like that is ever mentioned and never again. In the newer comics he clearly isn't merged with the void or anything ridiculous like that.
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I fail to see the reason for not assigning a potential rating to him. Do you comprehend the concept of a potential rating? I am not proposing a definitive rating, so your second sentence is unrelated to my suggestion.
 
Gasper said:
That's clearly not meant as literal. "Or becomes it" is just asking a question become he is becoming so small and insignificant in comparison to the void he is seen as nothing.
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Its "not literal" has been used a lot to dismiss something without actual proof. Its not a comparison of his size but rather the fact that his future is unknown to us. There is no actual absolute or subjective vantage point for us to measure him against the Void.
Gasper said:
That's the only time something like that is ever mentioned and never again. In the newer comics he clearly isn't merged with the void or anything ridiculous like that.
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This is spoken in ignorance more than anything.
 
ImmortalDread said:
I fail to see the reason for not assigning a potential rating to him. Do you comprehend the concept of a potential rating? I am not proposing a definitive rating, so your second sentence is unrelated to my suggestion.
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Why exactly? Like i said, that's COMPLETELY unsupported and the only scan implying that is the one above which can also be interpreted differently than what ya'll suggesting.
 
Gasper, if you continue to misunderstand the attributes of a possibly rating, I see no point in further deliberation. Until then, I am in disagreement with your viewpoint.
 
Immortalgodd said:
Its "not literal" has been used a lot to dismiss something without actual proof. Its not a comparison of his size but rather the fact that his future is unknown to us. There is no actual absolute or subjective vantage point for us to measure him against the Void.

This is spoken in ignorance more than anything.
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What? How was my comment ignorant in any way?
Look, i you really believe he merged with the void at one point and is never brought back ever again, then go for it.
But just know i completely disagree for reasons in my comments above.
 
ImmortalDread said:
Gasper, if you continue to misunderstand the attributes of a possibly rating, I see no point in further deliberation. Until then, I am in disagreement with your viewpoint.
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I didn't misunderstand anything. How the hell would you give a character an ability he is clearly never demonstrated and the only vague ass statement about "... or becomes it" is justifying this at all?
 
Gasper said:
What? How was my comment ignorant in any way?
Look, i you really believe he merged with the void at one point and is never brought back ever again, then go for it.
But just know i completely disagree for reasons in my comments above.
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Because it is based on ignorance. The final page is the culmination of the series. A showcase of Lucifer finally achieving the freedom he had desired. Just as in Sandman when he thought he would be free after leaving his kingdom, and in Lucifer when he creates a new Creation, and here when he finally finds freedom from himself. How would he do this in early parts if he hadn't actually found his freedom in the first place? This is not some magic trick that he should do this frequently. Its the character finally getting what he desired. Do you disregard someone achieving something because they don't do it everyday?

As per the sequels, Holly Black's Lucifer has very little bearing to the plot. The characters, cosmology and even the story of the Carey version are changed or disregarded and has very filmsy canon to the Sandman Universe.

Watters' version precede Carey's Lucifer and there is no Gate to the Void yet. Also, the angels were one with the Void in the beginning here. So yeah, ignorant.
 
Immortalgodd said:
Because it is based on ignorance. The final page is the culmination of the series. A showcase of Lucifer finally achieving the freedom he had desired. Just as in Sandman when he thought he would be free after leaving his kingdom, and in Lucifer when he creates a new Creation, and here when he finally finds freedom from himself. How would he do this in early parts if he hadn't actually found his freedom in the first place? This is not some magic trick that he should do this frequently. Its the character finally getting what he desired. Do you disregard someone achieving something because they don't do it everyday?

As per the sequels, Holly Black's Lucifer has very little bearing to the plot. The characters, cosmology and even the story of the Carey version are changed or disregarded and has very filmsy canon to the Sandman Universe.

Watters' version precede Carey's Lucifer and there is no Gate to the Void yet. Also, the angels were one with the Void in the beginning here. So yeah, ignorant.
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He is just flying to other creations which is then further commented upon in his solo run by saying "i have passed between multiverses"
Again, nothing implies he merged with the void.
 
Gasper said:
He is just flying to other creations which is then further commented upon in his solo run by saying "i have passed between multiverses"
Again, nothing implies he merged with the void.
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So, you just ignored everything I posted. Good on you.
 
Gasper said:
I don't see how is most of your comment relevant. I can just as much say what you wrote in the first half of your comment is just your interpretation.
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Providing context, to an argument you yourself are using, isn't relevant?
 
Aha, so yours is valid because it does not “contradict” anything, but theirs that is only interpreting on a possibly rating which the panel suggests directly is invalid because there is no “feats” happened where you are aware that we give rating and abilities to statements and feats as well?

Furthermore, can you provide me with the evidence that supports your interpretation?
 
ImmortalDread said:
Aha, so yours is valid because it does not “contradict” anything, but theirs that is only interpreting on a possibly rating which the panel suggests directly is invalid because there is no “feats” happened where you are aware that we give rating and abilities to statements and feats as well?

Furthermore, can you provide me with the evidence that supports your interpretation?
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I didn't said theirs is invalid because he dosen't show feats but because in the context of the story it just doesn't make sense.
 
But this conversation is clearly not going anywhere so just contact ant and see what's his opinion on this.
 
Gasper said:
No it dosen't. I am fully aware of context behind that scan. I also demonstrated how your interpretation is wrong.
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You haven't demonstrated anything. You have just changed your point from "its distance", "its not literal", "he hasn't shown it", "never comes up again" to now "context of the story". You have demonstratedly failed to prove any of the myriads of points you have made.
 
Immortalgodd said:
You haven't demonstrated anything. You have just changed your point from "its distance", "its not literal", "he hasn't shown it", "never comes up again" to now "context of the story". You have demonstratedly failed to prove any of the myriads of points you have made.
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It's literally multiple points demonstrating the same point. So just ignored most of my points as well.
But honestly i don't really care.
Please don't expect me to respond to your next comment.
 
Gasper said:
Whatever you say. You are the one who should provide evidence that he somehow merged with ******* overvoid which is laughably stupid argument to make in the first place.
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You are the only one bringing up Overvoid here.
 
Gasper said:
Whatever you say. You are the one who should provide evidence that he somehow merged with ******* overvoid which is laughably stupid argument to make in the first place.
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My request was for evidence to support your interpretation, but you have not provided any.
Based on my analysis of the panels, it appears that there are no anti-feats to contradict a possible rating.
 
ImmortalDread said:
My request was for evidence to support your interpretation, but you have not provided any.
Based on my analysis of the panels, it appears that there are no anti-feats to contradict a possible rating.
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There is literally nothing TO PROVIDE other than the whole merging with overvoid is completely unsoported. It's literally headcanon from one ******* statement on one panel. Like dude, how can we give a character an ability that he dosen't have?

Anti-feats have nothing to do with this argument at all. There can't be any anti feats for a supposed "feat" he never did.
I can also ask you to show any anti-feats for superman merging with the void, if there aren't any so that means he now has done that?
 
No one talked about overvoid tbh, at least I don't see any term in that panels lol?
Gasper said:
Anti-feats have nothing to do with this argument at all. There can't be any anti feats for a supposed "feat" he never did.
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No one claimed it is a feat, it is a statement which may be a true or false, which suffice the attributes of a possibly rating.
 
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