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I never said it'd be worse tho, I just said it'd be complicated
I just think it'd be low because he was very far.
I just think it'd be low because he was very far.
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Aren't nukes extremely powerful? Even with the distance it could still help.I never said it'd be worse tho, I just said it'd be complicated
I just think it'd be low because he was very far.
Turns out, it isn't, you'd just use the surface burst LOL, you learn something new every day I guessI never said it'd be worse tho, I just said it'd be complicated
But didn't we already calc Batman's distance from the bomb in the Sub? Like an Arm's length away by the visuals alone? Or are you talking about something else?I just think it'd be low because he was very far.
Depends on whether we know where the nukes are or what type they are. If they are there to begin with.Aren't nukes extremely powerful? Even with the distance it could still help.
Aren't we talking about Red Hood being near that sub exploding?Turns out, it isn't, you'd just use the surface burst LOL, you learn something new every day I guess
But didn't we already calc Batman's distance from the bomb in the Sub? Like an Arm's length away by the visuals alone? Or are you talking about something else?
I think basically we'd need to use more usable metrics for measuring the boom diameter because the Submarine is at an angle, its top section however, should be at a more reliable angle to use.
Would you change the pressure value?Turns out, it isn't, you'd just use the surface burst LOL, you learn something new every day I guess
I had a few questions for you about that I asked in the blog, can you answer?I think basically we'd need to use more usable metrics for measuring the boom diameter because the Submarine is at an angle, its top section however, should be at a more reliable angle to use
The nuke was in the Submarine I believe. I don't remember the type.Depends on whether we know where the nukes are or what type they are. If they are there to begin with.
Prolly not, since we at the moment don't have a way to account for that massive pressure increase so the surface burst may as well be a low-ball at this rate.Would you change the pressure value?
I did.I had a few questions for you about that I asked in the blog, can you answer?
'Kay so the torpedoes were apparently perfectly fine and they got launched after the sub blew up it seems, in Issue 12. Batman checks them up and watches them launch up close without warning.The nuke was in the Submarine I believe. I don't remember the type.
Is there an average value or something similar we can use?Prolly not, since we at the moment don't have a way to account for that massive pressure increase so the surface burst may as well be a low-ball at this rate.
The only submarines I had in mind was Delfinen, Kronborg, and the U-class. If Delfinen or U-class can't work, I don't have any idea unless we use a submarine outside Denmark?Basically, we need a submarine that has a round front, front wings, x-stern with the propellor, side windows, and a top tower with the antennae.
Wait, no. The bomb in Batman's submarine feat wasn't a nuke, I was referring to Red Hood.'Kay so the torpedoes were apparently perfectly fine and they got launched after the sub blew up it seems, in Issue 12. Batman checks them up and watches them launch up close without warning.
Batman still seems to be far away from the submarine.
Prolly just stick with ground-burst for the lack of better means.Is there an average value or something similar we can use?
The only other ones I can think of are US submarines. Maybe it's the "cavitation" tech's design that has been stolen from Denmark?The only submarines I had in mind was Delfinen, Kronborg, and the U-class. If Delfinen or U-class can't work, I don't have any idea unless we use a submarine outside Denmark?
Whups. My mistake then.Wait, no. The bomb in Batman's submarine feat wasn't a nuke, I was referring to Red Hood.
We can use a US submarine then. Would the Ohio work?The only other ones I can think of are US submarines. Maybe it's the "cavitation" tech's design that has been stolen from Denmark?
Ok so from the fourth panel we can figure out the size of the bomb. Lincoln's head=59.14 pixels=0.23 metres. 0.23/59.14= 0.0038890767669935745. Bomb=22.93 pixels. 22.93*0.0038890767669935745= 0.08917653026716266m.Some bombs might exist beyond the walls so we can't see them but I will try to use the farthest bomb we can see.
Add an extra step, angsize the distance between the bomb and one of the three bombs on the foundation (doesnt matter which), that should, in theory be the furthest possible distance they could have been, that could work as the minimum as there's also bombs closer to them.Ok so from the third panel we can figure out the size of the bomb. Lincoln's head=59.14 pixels=0.23 metres. 0.23/59.14= 0.0038890767669935745. Bomb=22.93 pixels. 22.93*0.0038890767669935745= 0.08917653026716266m.
In the last panel, the bomb is 220 pixels high. Panel=309 pixels.
Now for Lincoln. Object(face) size=0.2 metres; Height= 30.02 pixels
- Distance from point of view to object = 0.08917653026716266*309/[220*2*tan(70deg/2)]=0.08943954713703314
Distance between bomb and Lincoln= 1.470012438651334-0.08943954713703314=1.380572891514301m
- Distance from point of view to object = 0.2*309/[30.02*2*tan(70deg/2)]= 1.470012438651334
Now for Bruce. Object size=0.2m; Height= 45.15 pixels
Distance between bomb and Bruce= 0.9774036192317398-0.08943954713703314= 0.8879640720947066m
- Distance from point of view to object = 0.2 *309/[45.15*2*tan(70deg/2)]= 0.9774036192317398
Now we just need to find out how many tons of TNT the bombs had to destroy the top of the tower. This also looks like a great speed feat for Bruce considering he outran the explosion.
They are on different panels thoughAdd an extra step, angsize the distance between the bomb and one of the three bombs on the foundation (doesnt matter which), that should, in theory be the furthest possible distance they could have been, that could work as the minimum as there's also bombs closer to them.
This one.
And yeah it might be a different panel, but it's also the same bomb you scaled the distance between Bruce and it already.
So now you just scale the distance from the back bombs to that bomb, and you'd have the distance of Bruce to that bomb by adding it together.
Alternatively you could be absolutely insane and try to get that distance for every bomb, but the furthest would work as the minimum low end (Or maybe you could average them out? Idk maybe KLOL has a solution that wouldn't require jumping through hoops).
Can you link me to the boat calc comment?Mainly the current feats we have just need to be evaluated. Other than that, @KLOL506 is currently calcing the tripwire feat and doing ISL part of the boat feat.
SureCan you link me to the boat calc comment?
In that case I will do a calc assuming the entire boat is made of steel, and another where I calculate the yield of the explosion.
Calc 1- Steel
First we need the volume of the boat, but it has a weird shape so finding an accurate volume is impossible. However, we could get a rough result. First we need Batman's arm length. Arm length is generally 44% of body height. Bats is 1.88 m, so (1.88 * .44)= 0.8272 m= 82.72 cm.
In the scan Batman's arm is 105.69 pixels long. 82.72/105.69=0.7826662882013435.
Now for the Submarine. Length=570.14 pixels. So 570.14*0.7826662882013435=446.229357555114cm
Width=250.81 pixels; 250.81*0.7826662882013435=196.30053174377898cm
Height=47.17 pixels; 47.17*0.7826662882013435= 36.918368814457374cm
Volume=446.229357555114*196.30053174377898*36.918368814457374= 3233866.7375977174cc
The explosion either fragmented or violently fragmented the boat. I will do both.
Frag- 208*3233866.7375977174= 672644281.4203253 Joules= 0.16076584163966 tons of TNT. 9-A+
V.frag- 568.5*3233866.7375977174= 1838453240.3243024 Joules= 0.43940087005839 tons of TNT. 8-C
Calc might be a bit wacky tho
Calc 2- Yield
Batman's leg is 22.34 pixels long. Legs are generally half of body height. Batman is 188cm so 188/2=94. 94/22.34=4.207699194270367. The explosion has a diameter of 189 pixels, so 189*4.207699194270367=795.2551477170994. Halve that and you get 397.6275738585497 centimetres which is the radius.
Applying the surface burst formula would get you 0.005052600901613905 tons of TNT. Barely into 9-A
Using either calc, considering Batman no-sold this while heavily weakened and in his first year(or second, don't remember), I would say this supports 8-C.
Ok now we just need to calc the blast, if nobody does it by the time I get back home I will, it should be just a simple case of scaling it off the building itself.Alright.
Object size can be the same as before. Object height= 130 pixels, panel height= 298 pixels.
- Distance from point of view to object = 0.08917653026716266 *298/[130*2*tan(70deg/2)]= 0.14597104083405257
Object height of the farther bomb= 12 pixels.
- Distance from point of view to object = 0.08917653026716266 *298/[12*2*tan(70deg/2)]=1.581352942368903
Distance between them= 1.581352942368903-0.14597104083405257= 1.4353819015348503 metres
Awesome, I will try calcing Batman's submarine feat with Ohio-class submarinesOk now we just need to calc the blast, if nobody does it by the time I get back home I will, it should be just a simple case of scaling it off the building itself.
Hmmmmmm, given the wonkiness of those dimensions of the boat (Multiple holes on it), I'd just chalk it up to being comparable to car-busting minus the tires (Since it does look weirdly like a car with not enough plastic or wood to go around), and given that the boat has bat-themed body work, I can easily bet 50 bucks it's gonna have armor protection in one way or another. So ye, massively lower with the holes and all, but eh. You could try your luck and swap in the normal steel parts with some type of armor steel that won't sink the boat instantly.Sure
I think that's too complicated, that's why I also made the second calc calculating the yieldHmmmmmm, given the wonkiness of those dimensions of the boat (Multiple holes on it), I'd just chalk it up to being comparable to car-busting minus the tires (Since it does look weirdly like a car with not enough plastic or wood to go around), and given that the boat has bat-themed body work, I can easily bet 50 bucks it's gonna have armor protection in one way or another. So ye, massively lower with the holes and all, but eh. You could try your luck and swap in the normal steel parts with some type of armor steel that won't sink the boat instantly.
Ah.I think that's too complicated, that's why I also made the second calc calculating the yield
Well that sucks. That means the only feats left are:Ah.
You made your blue line too long (It should stop at the heel), and measuring the explosion at its base would be more accurate.
Fortunately, I've already done my side of the work. I got better values for the explosion.
But inverse-square law nukes it to 9-B+.
I spoke too soon.Well that sucks.
Oh nice! That helps.I spoke too soon.
I fixed up the pixel-scaling a bit on my part. Goes just a tiny bit above baseline 9-A.
Thank youWill upload my two Batman calcs at the earliest tomorrow.
Just so I don't have to plug the numbers like five times via multiple scaling methods for two different explosions.
Which one do we wanna go with. A or B, B is a longer, I just wasn't sure what we want to qualify as the initial blast or not, basically from which point to point, I feel either could work, though obviously B would give better results, A is also safer.
He didn't, he took a small one and then hauled ass and escaped before the big one went off (Works as a speed feat tho. The sandbox doc doesn't include a page, where Batman gougues Owlman's eyes out to make him loosen his grip and he escapes), wasn't even touched by the large blast.This should work if Bruce tanked the blast
Can you also post your IF calc?He didn't, he took a small one and then hauled ass and escaped before the big one went off (Works as a speed feat tho. The sandbox doc doesn't include a page, where Batman gougues Owlman's eyes out to make him loosen his grip and he escapes), wasn't even touched by the large blast.
But Owlman was engulfed completely, and shown as such and curses Batman while everything explodes. Which last I checked, he survived that and shows up later.
So either way.
Anyway I've done like all the pixel scaling and various methods but it's late so I'll sandbox it tomorrow morning.