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DC Comics - 8-C Batman

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Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
What are the list of calculations for a potential upgrade?

I did calculate a bunch of Tier 8 range feats for DC street tiers a while ago, but a kinda general unspoken rule is that explosions are not very reliable for tiering comic characters.
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The accepted calculations are in the OP. The ones needing evaluation are listed here:
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1:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Transcending/Captain_Boomerang_doesn't_go_Boom



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4:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Chariot190/Clayface_(Post-Flash_Point)_smashes_ground

5:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ets_tackled_through_a_wall_(Post-Flash_Point)

6:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Amelia_Lonelyheart/DC:_Rogue_War_feats
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For another feat to calc here’s Heat Wave and Trickster surviving an explosion (source is The Flash Vol 4 #52):



Imo “9-A, likely/possibly 8-C” should be fine based on the accepted calcs collected in the OP so far. Anything’s better than the current rating that’s for sure. For another supporting feat there’s an accepted calc of Slade tanking a 9-A explosion and coming out unharmed.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
For reference here's a bunch I did before when researching a potential Tier 8 upgrade (a lot of them are explosions which are iffy though). Bulk calculated so probably gonna be some mistakes in there.

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Some DC Street Level Calcs

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DC Street Tiers Non-Explosion Feats

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Well that's Post-Crisis while this thread is for Post-Flashpoint, but maybe if we want we can discuss PC after PF? Also btw can you evaluate those feats? There's already about 10 pending and considering more feats are getting calced, they might get upto 15 lol.
 
Deathstroke and Hawkman tanks an explosion that took out a few floors

That guy's head= 27px= 0.23m. 0.23/27= 0.008518518518518519

Height= 376px. 376*0.008518518518518519= 3.202962962962963m

Length= 780px= 780*0.008518518518518519=6.644444444444445m

Width= 546px= 546*0.008518518518518519= 4.651111111111112m

Volume= 4.651111111111112*6.644444444444445*3.202962962962963= 98.98452557841794m^3= 98984525.578417941928cc

This looks like a v.frag of bricks. So 98984525.578417941928*19.25= 1905452117.3845453 Joules= 0.45541398599057 tons of TNT.

Building Level

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So have all of the in-thread calculations here been copied to VSB wiki blogs already?

Also, how many accepted 8-C feats do we have available at this point?
 
Antvasima said:
So have all of the in-thread calculations here been copied to VSB wiki blogs already?
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All of the accepted ones have, yes. I didn't add some of the pending calcs to blogs, since I think it would be better to do so after someone accepts it.

Antvasima said:
Also, how many accepted 8-C feats do we have available at this point?
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Accepted ones? 3
 
Transcending said:
All of the accepted ones have, yes. I didn't add some of the pending calcs to blogs, since I think it would be better to do so after someone accepts it.
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Well, it is much preferable if you post them in blog posts first, and then link to them from here, as all blog post calculations need to be officially accepted in their own comment sections before we can use them.
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Accepted ones? 3
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Okay, thank you, and how many 9-A relevant calculations have been accepted so far?
 
Antvasima said:
Well, it is much preferable if you post them in blog posts first, and then link to them from here, as all blog post calculations need to be officially accepted in their own comment sections before we can use them.
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Alright, I will do so now.

Antvasima said:
Okay, thank you, and how many 9-A relevant calculations have been accepted so far?
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5
 
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I have arrived with like 20 methods of calcing the blast width, surpassing even Boros' in how many methods there was.
There was like 30 originally but some of the methods got pretty wacky results and one method was effort so I didn't include those versions of it.
Anyway
vsbattles.fandom.com

Chariot190/sandboxBatmanTower

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I can confirm, this is the most feat of all time.
 
Chariot190 said:
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I have arrived with like 20 methods of calcing the blast width, surpassing even Boros' in how many methods there was.
There was like 30 originally but some of the methods got pretty wacky results and one method was effort so I didn't include those versions of it.
Anyway
vsbattles.fandom.com

Chariot190/sandboxBatmanTower

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
I can confirm, this is the most feat of all time.
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Well DAMN that's impressive af
Screenshot_20220507-121419.jpg
 
Also fixed my few calc **** ups because I'm an idiot (tbh I'm just gonna blame shift, I just got the formula from another accepted calc).
Anyway we're at like, three 8-C feats? And seven 9-A feats I think.

And whatever we decide to go with for Owlman because **** if I know 🤷‍♂️
I have preferences but eh.
 
Which ones? I see that Hawkman and Slade one, what's the second?
 
There's that other Deathstroke missile feat, do you know the issue numbers? I wanna see if there's anything to scale off, might be an ok feat.
 
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
How good would be get crushed by a bell like here?

Detective Comics 962
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9-B, probably not even that high into it, the depth isn't even half an arm's width deep, and the actual impact is only like 2/3'rs a torso and arm. Plus it's vfrag, not pulv.
 
Chariot190 said:
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I have arrived with like 20 methods of calcing the blast width, surpassing even Boros' in how many methods there was.
There was like 30 originally but some of the methods got pretty wacky results and one method was effort so I didn't include those versions of it.
Anyway
vsbattles.fandom.com

Chariot190/sandboxBatmanTower

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
I can confirm, this is the most feat of all time.
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Wrll, you need to post it in a blog if you want it evaluated.
 
Antvasima said:
Wrll, you need to post it in a blog if you want it evaluated.
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Yeah.
I posted the methods first in a sandbox though so we can decide which one to use first, from there it's blogging time.

But deciding which method is best would be optimal so the blog isn't inflated with 20+ scalings that won't be used.
 
Okay. That seems reasonable.
 
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
How good would be get crushed by a bell like here?

Detective Comics 962
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Eh, find out the height of the bell for GPE and figure out if it slammed the dude into solid ground in order to scale to its full energy? I can't see the image because imgur keeps getting blocked in my country.
 
Transcending said:
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Ye this scales fully to durability and no room for linear momentum to work out.

Only problem is finding the Bell's size and mass. I guess you could reverse square-cube law this from a similarly-shaped-but-larger bell to find the smaller item's mass, find the height and do GPE then?
 
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Wouldn't it be fine to stop calcing 9-A feats for now? I found a few more but I think we have already proved our point with it and the current ones haven't been evaluated so adding new ones to the pile, if the existing ones are not rejected, would likely only stretch this thread and make CGMs work harder.
 
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Transcending said:
Wouldn't it be fine to stop calcing 9-A feats for now? I found a few more but I think we have already proved our point with it and the current ones haven't been evaluated so adding new ones to the pile, if the existing ones are not rejected, would likely only stretch this thread. and make CGMs work harder.
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Yes, that seems like a good idea.
 
I think we should focus on one incarnation of Batman at a time.
 
Transcending said:
Wouldn't it be fine to stop calcing 9-A feats for now? I found a few more but I think we have already proved our point with it and the current ones haven't been evaluated so adding new ones to the pile, if the existing ones are not rejected, would likely only stretch this thread and make CGMs work harder.
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In terms of what we should do while waiting, speed feats tend to be a tad complex and can be subject to lots of issues if we aren't careful, which is why I suggest Lifting Strength feats can be looked at just as a quick something to do, given calcing things like breaking chains, bending steel or just lifting big objects are quite easy (Slade lifts a slab of debris in the school feat for example) and this Batman in particular doesn't even have a LS listed. It isn't even a case of upgrade or downgrade, he actually needs one still. I'd even say doing that is even more important than the AP feats. Though we could just make a different thread for that as to not clutter this one.
 
Chariot190 said:
speed feats tend to be a tad complex and can be subject to lots of issues if we aren't careful,
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Yeah, I got a feat at Batman being over twice as fast as light and a former calc group member said it was aight. So clearly there's an issue. We should discuss LS.
 
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