DBZ Toei: More Downgrades

[AguilaR202]

Aside from GT, thinking about it

Goku and frieza should scale to namek destruction, at least in their 100% and SS1 forms
As frieza did say that goku won't survive due to not being able to breath in space, meaning he can survive the blast itself
And frieza getting blown to pieces is probably because of goku's last attack, not the explosion of namek

The portion of the energy tanked by either Goku or freeza would be affected by ISL starting from the planets corr which is a significant reduction, if the explosion is only megafoe at most you’re looking at high 5-A level feat at best, however if nameks explosion is 4-A it might warrant some upgrades into 4-B following the same principle.

 

[Sus]

The portion of the energy tanked by either Goku or freeza would be affected by ISL starting from the planets corr which is a significant reduction if the feat is only megafoe you’re looking at high 5-A level feat at best, however if nameks explosion is 4-A it might warrant some upgrades into 4-B.

Even if they don't scale to the full yield, better low ball it than throw it away

 

[Vizer04]

however if nameks explosion is 4-A it might warrant some upgrades into 4-B following the same principle

If Namek's explosion is 4-A then it would be an outlier

 

[Sus]

If Namek's explosion is 4-A then it would be an outlier

We already discussed that and no it wouldn't be an outlier

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Why wouldn't it be an outlier?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Isn't it even higher into 4-A than Kid Buu? Wouldn't that make everyone stronger than Mecha-Frieza 3-C lel

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Isn't it even higher into 4-A than Kid Buu? Wouldn't that make everyone stronger than Mecha-Frieza 3-C lel

How much into 4-A Is the feat and I didn’t even realize namek exploding was a 4-A feat

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

How much into 4-A Is the feat and I didn’t even realize namek exploding was a 4-A feat

9.0123687e+65 joules or 9.02 ZettaFoe (a.k.a 1.16x times weaker than Baseline Galaxy level)

 

[Sus]

Wasn't it lower than kid buu? Since when was it higher

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Wasn't it lower than kid buu? Since when was it higher

We used it only for Frieza's durability, which made it several times weaker

 

[Eseseso]

9.0123687e+65 joules or 9.02 ZettaFoe (a.k.a 1.16x times weaker than Baseline Galaxy level)

Really? I don't remember it being quite that close to 3-C.

Could I get the link for that?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Could I get the link for that?

Dragon Ball Z: Namek explodes calc (anime)

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

9.0123687e+65 joules or 9.02 ZettaFoe (a.k.a 1.16x times weaker than Baseline Galaxy level)

Wtf that’s really high

 

[Eseseso]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...nt/Dragon_Ball_Z:_Namek_explodes_calc_(anime)

Doesn't Frieza only scale to the 12 megafoe that he tanked?

He shouldn't scale to the entire 4-A explosion.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Doesn't Frieza only scale to the 12 megafoe that he tanked?

He shouldn't scale to the entire 4-A explosion.

He created the explosion in the first place so he should scale

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

He shouldn't scale to the entire 4-A explosion.

He caused the 4-A explosion, it's the reason we stopped using it in the first place (We scaled Frieza to tanking his atack but didn't scale him to his actual attack)

 

[Eseseso]

He created the explosion in the first place so he should scale

He caused the 4-A explosion, it's the reason we stopped using it in the first place (We scaled Frieza to tanking his atack but didn't scale him to his actual attack)

He caused the explosion by detonating the planet's core.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

He caused the explosion by detonating the planet's core.

By this logic Frieza shouldn't scale to the destruction of Planet Vegeta :I

 

[Vizer04]

Again, 4-A Frieza is a huge outlier. Why are we even discussing this?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

I guess we can just chalk this one up as an outlier and call it a day.

 

[Eseseso]

Just scale him to tanking the 4-B explosion

 

[Vizer04]

Just scale him to tanking the 4-B explosion

How much is that?

 

[Aachintya31]

i didnt knew Toei Buuhan doesnt exists

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Just scale him to tanking the 4-B explosion

Why wouldn't you just scale him to his own attack at that point?

 

[AguilaR202]

By this logic Frieza shouldn't scale to the destruction of Planet Vegeta :I

He doesn’t target the core in that instance and it explodes as soon as the attack connects.

Namek is different where he only destroyed the core and the planet imploded as result.

and even if we rule out Planet Vegetas explosion as chain reaction his rating doesn’t change much as he’d be 1/40th at most of this feat for his initial final form all previous ones massively upscaling from vegetas low4-C feat.

 

[Vizer04]

Can someone add King Vegeta's profile to the verse page please? And also add him to the page of his canon counterpart.

The same goes for Bardock

Bump

 

[Vizer04]

Btw, shouldn't we create a Canon Bardock profile?

 

[ByAsura]

Sorry, I lost notifications.

By this logic Frieza shouldn't scale to the destruction of Planet Vegeta :I

No. Totally different.

His attack detonated inside Vegeta with no 5 minute delay. Frieza blasted Namek, and the attack detonated immediately, obliterating the core and causing a chain reaction.

I'm fairly sure we already covered this in another thread (not to mention one before that).

Just scale him to tanking the 4-B explosion

Seems good to me.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

No. Totally different.

His attack detonated inside Vegeta with no 5 minute delay. Frieza blasted Namek, and the attack detonated immediately, obliterating the core and causing a chain reaction.

Frieza didn't want to destroy the planet right from the get go because he wanted to fight Goku, plus this statement heavily implies it was his power that did it

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Like we even removed it in the first place because it was hiding Frieza's 4-A outlier

 

[ByAsura]

Frieza didn't want to destroy the planet right from the get go because he wanted to fight Goku

Which is completely irrelevant semantics. We're not arguing about how Frieza didn't destroy Namek, we're arguing about whether or not he scales to the actual explosion of the planet itself.

plus this statement heavily implies it was his power that did it

No it doesn't because Frieza's death ball itself was inherently responsible for the destruction by destroying the core.

If I brought a bomb to a nuclear plant to cause a Chernobyl-esque disaster, would a bomb ten times more powerful scale to the disaster simply because the news said 'that bomb is ten times more powerful than the one used to destroy the nuclear plant'?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Actually, Namek's destruction being 4-A is already dubious

This calculation assumes that Namek exploded and destroyed planets within 641 light years.

However, the explosion we see is only a zoom and that is why the galaxy appears to change color. Also, if this outburst is as large as believed, it means that the debris we see is light-years long.


This is reinforced in the scene where King Cold searches for Freezer, where you can see on a screen that in the area where Namek exploded there are multiple astronomical objects and even very close to where Freezer was there is an intact planet.

And in the original explosion scene you can see that the explosion did not destroy Namek's neighboring planet.

 

[AguilaR202]

Actually, Namek's destruction being 4-A is already dubious

The events leading up to the original explosion were outright retconned though, originally Goku doesn’t board the Ginyu ship and presumably dies after Freezas ship sinks into the magma and explodes.

In the recount of events Goku manages to get on Ginyu ship as it falls alongside Freezas ship.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The events leading up to the original explosion were outright retconned though, originally Goku doesn’t board the Ginyu ship and presumably dies after Freezas ship sinks into the magma and explodes.

In the recount of events Goku manages to get on Ginyu ship as it falls alongside Freezas ship.

Even if we ignore the last point, the rest of it still holds weight tho

 

[AguilaR202]

Even if we ignore the last point, the rest of it still holds weight tho

Those seem fair points.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Here’s an interesting question how fast would Goku’s ship have to be going to escape a 4-A explosion

 

[BlastX]

Actually, can the 10x statement can be used to upgrade Mecha Freezer and anyone that scales to him?

 

[AguilaR202]

Actually, can the 10x statement can be used to upgrade Mecha Freezer and anyone that scales to him?

No, freezas Namek death ball was massively held back in the first place.

 

[ByAsura]

If you're taking it from the calculation, over 641 times the speed of light, since Goku took a year to get home and the meteors covered that distance in less time.

Going by the mass of Earth and the total energy, it'd be going to close to the speed of light that omni calculator can't even register it.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Didn't Vegeta and Nappa's ship cover an intergalactic distance in the anime in one year?

speaking that there are arguments that vegeta sensing the Ginyu special forces while they fly in their ships can give a very high MFTL + level