But is it confirmed that Golden Great Ape is 10x SSJ?
Why wouldn’t it be, unless for some reason SSJ stops being a 50x multiplier just because of Oozaru having it.
Is Golden Oozaru confirmed to be Oozaru + SSJ?
Ignoring telltale visual cues is as dishonest as it gets, we know what SSJ looks like and there is no other known way for Saiyans to get golden hair, it takes less assumptions to say Golden Oozaru is just the SSJ version of it than to say it is not.
Let's see what the others say.
Any statements from guides or the show?
We don't know how strong SSJ Gohan is in GT, since his base is only Rilldo lvl in a later saga.
Base Gohan was around SSJ Baby Goten's level, who's already stronger than Meta-Rildo, sooo
Sources for all of this?
Myuu was confident that Infant Baby could beat the Saiyans despite of him witnessing them fight Meta-Rilldo. Then at Planet Pital, Baby himself confirmed that he had taken over Myuu, Rildo and passengers in order to develop.
But how strong is base Goten?
Weaker than Baby, but Baby Goten is stronger than Base Baby
Do we know that for sure?
Baby provides an amp to whatever person he is possessing, iirc he took over a normal human and was able to injure goten with a punch.
Super Saiyan 1 is accepted for both
Then why does z gokus page say
oh I just realized they don’t have base Goku listed on the dbs manga also is ssj2 accepted as twice as strong as Ssj or nah?
It is not.
I see thanks
Goten appeared to have the upper hand on Baby during their battle, despite only showing off for Valese.
That would make post black star saga SSJ goku ( who in base is >> SSJ Gohan ) at least 125000x (50^3) kid boo, not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with that but if baby is > Rild and Rild > Kid Boo
I think that even Base Baby Arc Goku would be in the 3-C range and yeah his SSJ form would be 3-C+.
That would make Super Saiyan 4 Goku around baseline 3-B, no?
If your scaling for SSJ Goku = 50x base Goku > SSJ Gohan = 50x base Gohan > SSJ Goten = 50x Base Goten > Baby >= people who scale >= to Kid Buu's 4-A feat is valid?
Well I think the fact goten is more concerned about looking good to impress girls during that fight and the fact Baby is not taking him head on and resorting to sneak attacks even before and waiting for the right moment to strike implies he is all around below Goten, comparatively having Gohans body he felt confident enough to openly attack vegeta without sneak tactics.
Source?
Yeah but Trunks had a literal stomp gap over baby the last time we saw them to where he struggled to possess his base form because (according to himself) wasn’t strong enough.
No because by taking on Rilds energy Baby scales above the 4-A value.
Goten, in his base form, was able to drive Baby in the ground with a single strike. And Baby viewed Goten's power as a stepping stone in his quest to defeat Goku, suggesting that Goten was more powerful than he was at the time.
