DBZ Toei: More Downgrades

[ByAsura]

IIRC, it's stated in one episode that they were on the other side of the galaxy.

There's a millions of times FTL calculation for the pods, though.

 

[AguilaR202]

We don’t know the distances traveled by any Saiyan pod and the technologies of the ships whose speed we can estimate can not be scaled to Saiyan pods for obvious reasons, one being a namekian spaceship and the other being just loosely based off the Saiyan Pod.

Didn't Vegeta and Nappa's ship cover an intergalactic distance in the anime in one year?

speaking that there are arguments that vegeta sensing the Ginyu special forces while they fly in their ships can give a very high MFTL + level

Yea but intergalactic travel in one year fall short of the speed of the two ships that went from earth to Namek, those ones are currently taken to travel intergalactic distances thanks to Namek being outside of King Kai’s area.

 

[ByAsura]

Earth science is explicitly vastly inferior. So an Earth-ship manufactured with mere scraps of one of those Attack Balls (especially one built before Goku was even born), including the engine design/propulsion, would be comparable at best.

 

[AguilaR202]

Earth science is explicitly vastly inferior. So an Earth-ship manufactured with mere scraps of one of those Attack Balls (especially one built before Goku was even born), including the engine design/propulsion, would be comparable at best.

That could be the case, but I don’t see really how it could matter in the grand scheme of things at least for Toei scaling.

DBS manga would be the only series benefitting from Saiyan Pod speed due to piccolo intercepting a ship that would logically be faster than it.

 

[ByAsura]

We already have the King Kai scaling on the profiles, so I don't see why that matters.

 

[Vizer04]

Is anyone willing to write the scaling chain of GT? At least for the two first sagas?

 

[Sus]

Idk

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Wait why does Goku's feat of shaking the afterlife apply to Z goku? Aren't the movies all separate continuities?

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Is anyone willing to write the scaling chain of GT? At least for the two first sagas?

Was making one but got distracted lel

 

[Sus]

Wait why does Goku's feat of shaking the afterlife apply to Z goku? Aren't the movies all separate continuities?

It doesn't?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

It doesn't?

But it does

Son Goku (Dragon Ball GT)

Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. A Saiyan, sent to Earth as a baby with the mission to destroy it, Goku became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head and was adopted by Grandpa Gohan. After departing five years to train Uub, Goku returns...

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Goku shakes the Afterlife Redone

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[BlastX]

GT Goku has a similar but weaker version the feat from Fusion Reborn, that's why it's used.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

GT Goku has a similar but weaker version the feat from Fusion Reborn, that's why it's used.

But that's after the Baby Saga?

 

[BlastX]

Ah, then that's gotta be corrected.

 

[Vizer04]

But it does

Son Goku (Dragon Ball GT)

Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. A Saiyan, sent to Earth as a baby with the mission to destroy it, Goku became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head and was adopted by Grandpa Gohan. After departing five years to train Uub, Goku returns...

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The GT profiles are super outdated but no one can fix them because no one wants to watch all of GT lmao

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

The GT profiles are super outdated but no one can fix them because no one wants to watch all of GT lmao

I got to the end of baby saga

 

[Eseseso]

We need someone to unlock the GT Goku page.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

We need someone to unlock the GT Goku page.

They were trying to contain that shit.

 

[AguilaR202]

SS4 Goku>Golden Oozaru Goku/Baby >Súper Baby Vegeta 2>Súper Baby Vegeta >Bebí Vegeta >SS3 Goku>SSJ Goku >Base Goku >SSJ Gohan>Base Gohan>Baby Goten SSJ>SSJ Goten>Base Goten>Teen Baby>Infant baby>Rildo>Kid Buu

So basically in Baby saga you have top tiers > 125000x(50^3) of Kid Buus Speed and AP which is

Baby saga SSJ Goku = 6.46 Yottafoe 3-C+ and

68.4375 Septillion times FTL

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

SS4 Goku>Golden Oozaru Goku/Baby >Súper Baby Vegeta 2>Súper Baby Vegeta >Bebí Vegeta >SS3 Goku>SSJ Goku >Base Goku >SSJ Gohan>Base Gohan>Baby Goten SSJ>SSJ Goten>Base Goten>Teen Baby>Infant baby>Rildo>Kid Buu

So basically in Baby saga you have top tiers > 125000x(50^3) of Kid Buus Speed and AP which is

Baby saga SSJ Goku = 6.46 Yottafoe 3-C+ and

68.4375 Septillion times FTL

Wouldn't that only be a 100x increase due to the fact that every other increase is undefinable except Saiyan Multipliers?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Wouldn't that only be a 100x increase due to the fact that every other increase is undefinable except Saiyan Multipliers?

TF you updated it in the middle of me rebuttling

 

[AguilaR202]

Wouldn't that only be a 100x increase due to the fact that every other increase is undefinable except Saiyan Multipliers?

TF you updated it in the middle of me rebuttling

The accepted SS1 multiplier is 50x and there are two showings of base form taking on another characters SS1 form.

SS1 Goku (50xamp) >Base Goku >SS1 Gohan (50x amp) >Base Gohan > SS1 Goten( 50x amp) Base Goten>Baby>Rildo >Kid Buu

Everything beyond SS1 Goku only scales higher but to an unknown degeee.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

The accepted SS1 multiplier is 50x and there are two showings of base form taking on another characters SS1 form.

SS1 Goku (50xamp) >Base Goku >SS1 Gohan (50x amp) >Base Gohan > SS1 Goten( 50x amp) Base Goten>Baby>Rildo >Kid Buu

Everything beyond SS1 Goku only scales higher but to an unknown degeee.

Yeah but what I'm saying is that base goku in baby saga would be at least 100x what Buu is currently scaled at

 

[AguilaR202]

Yeah but what I'm saying is that base goku in baby saga would be at least 100x what Buu is currently scaled at

???

Baby Saga base Goku scales above Gohans SS1 which is 50x times Goten SS1who in turn scales above kid buu in base

So base Goku in that saga is at least 2500x stronger than Kid Buu.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

???

Baby Saga base Goku scales above Gohans SS1 which is 50x times Goten SS1who in turn scales above kid buu in base

So base Goku in that saga is at least 2500x stronger than Kid Buu.

Oh yeah My bad your right

 

[Sus]

But it does

Son Goku (Dragon Ball GT)

Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. A Saiyan, sent to Earth as a baby with the mission to destroy it, Goku became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head and was adopted by Grandpa Gohan. After departing five years to train Uub, Goku returns...

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Goku shakes the Afterlife Redone

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Its gonna be removed soon

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Its gonna be removed soon

If they ever Unlock the profiles

 

[ByAsura]

Does anyone need the profiles unlocked?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Does anyone need the profiles unlocked?

Probably all the GT profiles

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

Bump

Shouldn't SSJ2 and SSJ3 be a 60x multiplier of SSJ due to the AP difference between SSJ Teen Gohan (1.23 Kilofoe) and SSJ2 Teen Gohan (61.92 Kilofoe)?

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

Shouldn't SSJ2 and SSJ3 be a 60x multiplier of SSJ due to the AP difference between SSJ Teen Gohan (1.23 Kilofoe) and SSJ2 Teen Gohan (61.92 Kilofoe)?

Doesn't work like that.

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[Eseseso]

Someone needs to get the GT Goku page unlocked.

Also, I think GT Goku's keys should be slightly revised, so that instead of SSJ4 having 2 separate keys, each SSJ4 from each of the 2 arcs is just put in the same key as its respective arc

And if I'm correct, with the new scaling for Goku that puts his GT base well above Rilldo, his keys look like this:

At least 3-C(+), 3-B with Super Saiyan transformations, far higher with Super Saiyan 4 | 3-B (as he is far stronger than his previous base so he easily upscales to Baseline 3-B), higher with Super Saiyan Transformations, even higher with Super Saiyan 4 or Dragon Fist, 3-A with Super Full Power Saiyan 4 (with his justification stating that he is superior to Syn Shenron who is 1/10 of Omega Shenron who is 26.9x baseline 3-A), higher with Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Dragon Fist or Universal Spirit Bomb

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Kid Buu being anything but a gnat to buuhan is ridiculous, feats including common sense scaling>>>statements.

Kid Buu being the most dangerous is one thing, and it makes sense due to it being the most pure version.


But the strongest? That's an absolute joke

 

[Vizer04]

Kid Buu being anything but a gnat to buuhan is ridiculous, feats including common sense scaling>>>statements.

Kid Buu being the most dangerous is one thing, and it makes sense due to it being the most pure version.


But the strongest? That's an absolute joke

When there's like ten statements of him being the strongest and nothing contradicting that, i think it just makes more sense to accept it

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

When there's like ten statements of him being the strongest and nothing contradicting that, i think it just makes more sense to accept it

Statements are irrelevant when feats prove it wrong. So if ten statements said that DBZ krillin would beat Whis, you'd ignore all feats and common scaling? Ssj3 Goku only lost to kid Buu because the drain of ssj3 was far too great on his living body and he couldn't use his full power, Goku literally had no interest in fighting just super Buu, let alone buutenks or buuhan, and he's one of the best ki sensors around. And it's more like 2-4 statements, with a guidebook included

Buuhan had the powers of ultimate Gohan and the kids in addition to super Buu, he LOST all that, and suddenly, became..... stronger?


Feats always supercede statements, especially in this case where the statement makes no iota of sense from ANY viewpoint

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The 4-A feat comes from Kid Buu, Buuhan is featless lel

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Someone needs to get the GT Goku page unlocked.

Also, I think GT Goku's keys should be slightly revised, so that instead of SSJ4 having 2 separate keys, each SSJ4 from each of the 2 arcs is just put in the same key as its respective arc

And if I'm correct, with the new scaling for Goku that puts his GT base well above Rilldo, his keys look like this:

At least 3-C(+), 3-B with Super Saiyan transformations, far higher with Super Saiyan 4 | 3-B (as he is far stronger than his previous base so he easily upscales to Baseline 3-B), higher with Super Saiyan Transformations, even higher with Super Saiyan 4 or Dragon Fist, 3-A with Super Full Power Saiyan 4 (with his justification stating that he is superior to Syn Shenron who is 1/10 of Omega Shenron who is 26.9x baseline 3-A), higher with Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Dragon Fist or Universal Spirit Bomb

This looks good but I noticed one thing that might screw the scaling up. Rildo Considers SSJ to be a 100x increase instead of a 50x increase when fighting him. We know this is not SSJ2 because he briefly goes SSj2 later on in the fight. This could be explained by a Full Power SSJ to be a 100x increase or the fact that GT kinda just ignores established shit. But if we treat it as valid we would have to change the scaling chain we have established.

 

[Eseseso]

This looks good but I noticed one thing that might screw the scaling up. Rildo Considers SSJ to be a 100x increase instead of a 50x increase when fighting him. We know this is not SSJ2 because he briefly goes SSj2 later on in the fight. This could be explained by a Full Power SSJ to be a 100x increase or the fact that GT kinda just ignores established shit.

When does he say that? If it's dub-only, it's not usable.