DBS low 2-C scaling revision

[AKM sama]

Goku needing a senzu doesn’t mean anything. During the entire TOP he needed a senzu but still managed to recover in minimal time. Also several minutes passed between Goku and Vegeta defusing to IZ blasting at them.

Him needing a senzu here means he was exhausted and depleted. That means he was not at his full power, which is the point I am making. During the ToP also he was not at his full power after he was beaten to the point of exhaustion.

Something not making sense doesn’t mean it’s nit wrong, especially when there’s evidence to support it and nothing contradicts it.

It does. There is a far more reasonable alternative to conclude from all this instead of reaching, that it is just another inconsistency. There are a dozens of inconsistencies in DBS that, if taken at face value, can both downgrade and upgrade many things in the verse, but we ignore them.

I mean moon level Roshi was discussed to death and look where that got you.

As were several things in the wiki that changed with time but comparing those topics to this is a false equivalence. This topic doesn't really hinge on a plethora of other factors and is pretty straightforward which doesn't require any mental gymnastics to see that it is a blatant inconsistency.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

You guys are right, the attack they blocked from IZ was just a tiny fraction of his power, as DB characters tend to hold back a lot.
Otherwise, Krilin would be 3-A to Low 2-C for giving pre T.O.P Arc SSB Goku trouble

 

[Planck69]

Thinking more on it, I'll have to agree with AKM. I makes more sense for this to be an inconsistency than for Goku to grow that exponentially out of the blue.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Shouldn't base Goku/Vegeta be Low 2-C due to their Transformations being Low 2-C as well as not being infinite increases?

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Shouldn't base Goku/Vegeta be Low 2-C due to their Transformations being Low 2-C as well as not being infinite increases?

Ok then, Krilin should be upgraded to Low 2-C as he forced base Goku (post-Black arc and pre T.O.P Arc) to use Super saiyan against him, later SSB.

As u see, the thing that this thread suggest is a inconsistency as huge as Jupiter.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Ok then, Krilin should be upgraded to Low 2-C as he forced base Goku (post-Black arc and pre T.O.P Arc) to use Super saiyan against him, later SSB.

As u see, the thing that this thread suggest is a inconsistency as big as Jupiter.

im talking TOP base

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Him needing a senzu here means he was exhausted and depleted. That means he was not at his full power, which is the point I am making. During the ToP also he was not at his full power after he was beaten to the point of exhaustion.

Yeah he’s exhausted but not to the extent of the end of the TOP. He’s been shown to get stronger when exhausted. Like the time he got a rage boost against Black and Zamasu despite getting beat up having a blade in his gut.

It does. There is a far more reasonable alternative to conclude from all this instead of reaching, that it is just another inconsistency. There are a dozens of inconsistencies in DBS that, if taken at face value, can both downgrade and upgrade many things in the verse, but we ignore them.

You can call it reaching but it’s supported by evidence. Saiyans are described to infinitely increase their strength and have had huge leaps in power before.

Ok then, Krilin should be upgraded to Low 2-C as he forced base Goku (post-Black arc and pre T.O.P Arc) to use Super saiyan against him, later SSB.
As u see, the thing that this thread suggest is a inconsistency as big as Jupiter.

False equivalence. Nothing suggests Goku was going all out.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

im talking TOP base

The episodie where Goku and Krilin was after Black arc.

 

[Shadyboi0]

The episodie where Goku and Krilin was after Black arc.

I'm talking T.O.P as in when as they are at the T.O.P, Also transformations aren't infinite increases. My point still stands.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Yeah he’s exhausted but not to the extent of the end of the TOP. He’s been shown to get stronger when exhausted. Like the time he got a rage boost against Black and Zamasu despite getting beat up having a blade in his gut.

You can call it reaching but it’s supported by evidence. Saiyans are described to infinitely increase their strength and have had huge leaps in power before.

False equivalence. Nothing suggests Goku was going all out.

The same could be said for Gowas and Shin's barrier.
Just becouse they tank a attack from a character with higher tier doesn't mean that they are the same tier as that character.

And Goku was clearly struggeling against Krilin's Ki blasts that he had to use SS.

Also, the same happened with Goku VS ultimate Gohan, and Now DBS Gohan is rated as 3-A in this wiki, the same as Android 17, so why not Krilin?

Just accept that this is a inconsistency.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I'm talking T.O.P as in when as they are at the T.O.P, Also transformations aren't infinite increases. My point still stands.

How?, if it's true that base Goku from the Back arc is Low 2-C, why wouldn't Krilin?, who made him struggle and forced him to transform into SS....

 

[LordTracer]

How?, if it's true that base Goku from the Back arc is Low 2-C, why wouldn't Krilin?, who made him struggle and forced him to transform into SS....

You do realize it was explicitly stated that Krillin stood zero chance against Goku power-wise, right?

 

[Omegas03]

Shouldn't base Goku/Vegeta be Low 2-C due to their Transformations being Low 2-C as well as not being infinite increases?

I can see SSG as of Broly Movie being Low 2-C.

 

[AKM sama]

Like the time he got a rage boost against Black and Zamasu despite getting beat up having a blade in his gut.

You can't equate a rage boost to a normal increase in power. Both work differently.

Saiyans are described to infinitely increase their strength and have had huge leaps in power before.

That statement only means they can increase in power which is quite true because of training and zenkai, nobody contested that. They have had leaps in power which is also true, the circumstances in those leaps were not similar to the absurd kind of leap you are talking about here.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

You do realize it was explicitly stated that Krillin stood zero chance against Goku power-wise, right?

And?, Feats>Statements.

We clearly Saw how Goku struggeled against Krilin's Ki blasts that he had to use SS, later, Krilin's Kamehameha was competing with Goku's SSB for a while.

If Goku was truly holding back 100%, he shouldn't have used such levels of Power.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

You can't equate a rage boost to a normal increase in power. Both work differently.

That statement only means they can increase in power which is quite true because of training and zenkai, nobody contested that. They have had leaps in power which is also true, the circumstances in those leaps were not similar to the absurd kind of leap you are talking about here.

Yeah it’s not like Goku got a potara level increase in the middle of battle without recovering.

 

[Omegas03]

And?, Feats>Statements.

We clearly Saw how Goku struggeled against Krilin's Ki blasts that he had to use SS, later, Krilin's Kamehameha was competing with Goku's SSB.

If Goku was truly holding back 100%, he shouldn't have used such levels of Power.

We are really going from Low 2-C Base Saiyans to unironically SSB tier Krillin, okay then.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

We are really from Low 2-C Base Saiyans to unironically SSB tier Krillin, okay then.

Well, seems like that's what people are suggesting on this thread Imao.

Now, Krilin>SSB Vegito

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Anyway I'm going to pass the link:



If you pay attention, Goku while tanking Krilin's Ki blasts says:

"Goin' for an out of bounds, huh?" (Then proceeds to transform into Super Saiyan).

Goku was clearly forced to use SS, and later on, you Will see how Krilin's and Goku's Kamehameha seem leveled for a while.

As I said, what this thread is trying to value is a Huge inconsistency.

 

[LordTracer]

And?, Feats>Statements.

We clearly Saw how Goku struggeled against Krilin's Ki blasts that he had to use SS, later, Krilin's Kamehameha was competing with Goku's SSB for a while.

If Goku was truly holding back 100%, he shouldn't have used such levels of Power.

Statements can give context to feats, so... Plus, during his spat with Gohan, Krillin himself stated that Gohan wasn’t going all out against him. This was Gohan in base, and he was still easily blocking Krillin’s attacks. So no, Krillin isn’t scaling to Goku.

Also Krillin isn’t even 3-A right now, so he wouldn’t even be affected if this upgrade went through.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Statements can give context to feats, so... Plus, during his spat with Gohan, Krillin himself stated that Gohan wasn’t going all out against him. This was Gohan in base, and he was still easily blocking Krillin’s attacks. So no, Krillin isn’t scaling to Goku.

Also Krillin isn’t even 3-A right now, so he wouldn’t even be affected if this upgrade went through.

In the video above, Goku while tanking Krilin's Ki blasts clearly says:
"Goin' for an out of bounds, huh?" (Then proceeds to transform into Super Saiyan).

Then, Gohan VS Krilin would contradict what was shown and said in the video.
Wait, let me reword that, the episodie itself.

Again, just accept that what this thread suggest is a blatant inconsistency.

 

[Shadyboi0]

In the video above, Goku while tanking Krilin's Ki blasts clearly says:
"Goin' for an out of bounds, huh?" (Then proceeds to transform into Super Saiyan).

Then, Gohan VS Krilin would contradict what was shown and said in the video.
Wait, let me reword that, the episodie itself.

Again, just accept that what this thread suggest is a blatant inconsistency.

There are 2 consistent things, Transformations not being infinite, and the IZ scaling.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that AKM and Matthew make sense here, but do not have anything to add that they have not said already.

 

[Reio35]

My thing is why is goku shaking the World of void low 2c? When their is no time or space

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

My thing is why is goku shaking the World of void low 2c? When their is no time or space

Nobody even said that my guy.

 

[Antvasima]

Is it fine if we close this thread? It seems very unlikely that it will be accepted.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Is it fine if we close this thread? It seems very unlikely that it will be accepted.

4 staff members rejected it, so yeah.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.