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I'd also like to know that before this goes ahead.Wonder what are Mavericks and Null's thoughts on this.
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I'd also like to know that before this goes ahead.Wonder what are Mavericks and Null's thoughts on this.
If you ignore context surrounding the cosmology, then it is. Your interpretation is objectively wrong, since Dende literally says the walls will break.It seems more like a straight reading of what the statements are saying than an unfounded assumption to me, tbh.
And Vegito said that the Universe would be destroyed by alternate dimensions, not by Buu.If you ignore context surrounding the cosmology, then it is. Your interpretation is objectively wrong, since Dende literally says the walls will break.
Sounds like he was referring to the Living World there specificallyAnd Vegito said that the Universe would be destroyed by alternate dimensions, not by Buu.
And Buu, through AP, is destroying multiple infinite sized barriers to begin with, that keep these universes apart.And Vegito said that the Universe would be destroyed by alternate dimensions, not by Buu.
My point is that he doesn't necessarily have to destroy the entire infinite barrier for the alternate dimensions to start rushing on in. If you have an infinite-sized dam holding back a reserve of water, you don't have to destroy the entire dam simultaneously to open a hole and let water through.And Buu, through AP, is destroying multiple infinite sized barriers to begin with, that keep these universes apart.
It isn't, no, seeing as Dende states that the walls between dimensions will break down, as opposed to how he describes Buu initial usage of the Vice Shout, which was him "breaking through" the wall between dimensions (Boring a hole through it). In other words, the causality is: Buu breaks down the wall between dimensions → The dimensions come crashing into each other (Since there's no spacetime fabric keeping them apart anymore)But isn't it possible that Buu wasn't "destroying it entirely" but destroying it enough for the Universe to be vulnerable to alternate dimensions?
Dende does say that the space near Buu is being warped, not that space across the entire width and breadth of the Universe is being warped.
I think the issue is that you're probably thinking about the dimensions here as being like objects laid over a floor, which isn't really what the anime is getting at, I don't think. In this case, they're more like rooms separated by walls. See the analogy I made in the OP.wait, space time is separating space time from other space times? this is confusing
Do you think that Buu is tearing the same hole he did when he’s in the RoSaT? No, he is literally threatening the entire infinite universe, with other similar sized dimensions. That’s why it’s threatening, because he’s destroying the entire barrier.My point is that he doesn't necessarily have to destroy the entire infinite barrier for the alternate dimensions to start rushing on in. If you have an infinite-sized dam holding back a reserve of water, you don't have to destroy the entire dam simultaneously to open a hole and let water through.
well, i think that putting a "destroying the fabric of space time and the barrier that separates dimensions" somewhere in the description would make more clear what the feat is and why it is, but that is just my opinion either way so i will leave the staff to decide this partI think the issue is that you're probably thinking about the dimensions here as being like objects laid over a floor, which isn't really what the anime is getting at, I don't think. In this case, they're more like rooms separated by walls. See the analogy I made in the OP.
@Maverick_Zero_X I noticed that he lost the interesting in DB, this during the time that would request support for an update regarding DB.Wonder what are Mavericks and Null's thoughts on this.
Null was against using that due to it suggesting that Buuhan is as powerful as he is because he has the combined strength of Gotenks and Gohan by a factor of 0.01.Not just because of their better feats, but also because they did those feats while being stated to be unable to even access 1/100 of their power. I’ll send the scan of this when I get home
He blew up the walls that hold the dimensions at bay. Ultimately, there's no difference between the potency of the feats.And Vegito said that the Universe would be destroyed by alternate dimensions, not by Buu.
You don't need to completely destroy the multiple barriers anyway, just doing anything significant to them would be grounds for scaling. Also, using a dam example isn't the best one to use, because Tier 2 doesn't follow that kind of logic. You can't downscale to lower tiers by being able to scrape off from a 2-C object, you'd still be 2-C but below baseline, given the unquantifiable distance factor and that infinity divided by anything is still infinity. The same is true for Tier 1 and higher. Punching a hole into them however, goes a long way beyond "scraping" and right into "significantly affecting" territory.My point is that he doesn't necessarily have to destroy the entire infinite barrier for the alternate dimensions to start rushing on in. If you have an infinite-sized dam holding back a reserve of water, you don't have to destroy the entire dam simultaneously to open a hole and let water through.
So 1% Base Goku = Ultimate Gohan?!?!Oh btw how do Post-Vegito Division Goku and Vegeta factor in?
Not just because of their better feats, but also because they did those feats while being stated to be unable to even access 1/100 of their power. I’ll send the scan of this when I get home
Oh btw how do Post-Vegito Division Goku and Vegeta factor in?
Not just because of their better feats, but also because they did those feats while being stated to be unable to even access 1/100 of their power. I’ll send the scan of this when I get home
The barriers are literally the fabric of space-time itself, and he nuked multiple of them that would cause the dimensions to cascade in and nuke everything, as per what Ultima and Milly have elaborated upon.okay i am confused now, is the proposal that he messed with space time enough to affect other dimensions or that he destroyed a 2-C barrier that separates them?
So 1% Base Goku = Ultimate Gohan?!?!
The difference being over x100 seems a bit too much thoStupidest shit ever and yet its consistent with Kid Buu, for whatever reason, being the strongest incarnation of Majin Buu in the Toeiverse, and Goku being able to fight him
I'm talking about him getting the most asinine boosts that go against the narrative (seriously how did he go to Ultimate Gohan level by defusing )The difference being over x100 seems a bit too much tho
Like that would put Kid Buu over two times stronger than SSJ Vegito, who the kais thought could easily handle Kid Buu
Eitherway, it never being stated in the show, means it will probably will be treated like the SSJ Grade 3 Multiplier
Well no, because Post-Vegito Division Goku and Vegeta fusing would produce a much stronger Super VegitoThe difference being over x100 seems a bit too much tho
Like that would put Kid Buu over two times stronger than SSJ Vegito, who the kais thought could easily handle Kid Buu
Eitherway, it never being stated in the show, means it will probably will be treated like the SSJ Grade 3 Multiplier
I'm not sure if the Kais would have known that, but even so;Well no, because Post-Vegito Division Goku and Vegeta fusing would produce a much stronger Super Vegito
Gohan and Gotenks weren't lightyears away from Goku and Vegeta at this point since Goku believed they could help against Kid Buu and Gotenks did much better against Base Hirudegarn than SSJ2 Vegeta and GokuNull was against using that due to it suggesting that Buuhan is as powerful as he is because he has the combined strength of Gotenks and Gohan by a factor of 0.01.
I'm iffy on it, since while it would explain why Goku and Vegeta were hesitant in fighting Super Buu head-on despite being way stronger, it would contradict them going toe-to-toe with the Gohan and Gotenks clones who are confirmed to be identical to their real counterparts in power
Don't forget Wrath of the Dragon, with the Dragon Fist being introduced.nope, only janemba, garlic jr and the first cooler movie are considered canon here
i knew that i was for forgetting something, thank youDon't forget Wrath of the Dragon, with the Dragon Fist being introduced.
How so?Toei gives Goku wicked Zenkais out the wazoo, the episode title strongly implies SSJ1 Goku surpassed Kid Buu in their final interaction when he overpowered the Spirit Bomb
Like what?I mean considering how Toei has GT Goku get the most ridiculous boosts mid-arc
Well, Goku did go from being on-par with Rilldo, to easily stomping people x2500/x12500 Rilldo in a few daysLike what?
Wrath of the Dragon Gotenks could simply be far above Buu Saga GotenksGohan and Gotenks weren't lightyears away from Goku and Vegeta at this point since Goku believed they could help against Kid Buu and Gotenks did much better against Base Hirudegarn than SSJ2 Vegeta and Goku
This is the title of the episode:How so?
Scans, please?