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Supposedly every DB Movies & DBZ Movies are canon to DB Anime & DBZ Anime, then how high can we get into DBGT scaling? Is it enough for DBGT Goku to finally be a match for DBS Goku?
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DB Toei - About Buuhan's Tier 2 rating
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2-C scaling still only starts at Buuhan so nothing changes
Anyways, let's not derail
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nope, only janemba, garlic jr and the first cooler movie are considered canon here
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Dawg he was talking hypothetically
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Alright, guys, take this to the discussion thread.
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Anyway, I wrote up a justification:
Low Multiverse level (After losing control of himself, he began to radiate such power that his tantrums threatened to completely break down the fabric of spacetime, which Dende and Vegito state would lead to alternate dimensions leaking over into each other and eventually crushing the universe entirely)
Once we have enough agreements, I guess the only thing left will be discussing who potentially backscales from this.
Low Multiverse level (After losing control of himself, he began to radiate such power that his tantrums threatened to completely break down the fabric of spacetime, which Dende and Vegito state would lead to alternate dimensions leaking over into each other and eventually crushing the universe entirely)
Once we have enough agreements, I guess the only thing left will be discussing who potentially backscales from this.
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Sounds good to me.
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Aye sir, let's keep the upgrade going!
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I mean there's you and two calc members (if they count)
Also its obvious who scales (all canon Toeiverse profiles with 3-B)
besides Toei Gogeta but I'm pretty sure he should scale to this
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if the feat is him destroying the barriers between the dimensions then they should be listed in the description
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The fabric of space-time is literally the "barriers" space-time is the "barrier" that separates them
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they don't, only thread mod and admins
not really, janemba wouldn't
why so?
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space time separating it self from space time? this feels confusing
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Janemba is not 3-B bruh
Because he's a fusion of the same Goku and Vegeta that resulted in Vegito, a guy who shitcanned Buuhan in base form
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Space-time is separated from other space-times yes.
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2-C Z is based as ****.
Hildegarn scales too, and I am sure there's an statement regarding Janemba being the strongest Z movie villain which makes both him and Gogeta potentially scale too
If Buuhan is Super Buu + Mystic Gohan then Gohan, Buutenks, Gotenks, etc could potentially backscale from this too.
Hildegarn scales too, and I am sure there's an statement regarding Janemba being the strongest Z movie villain which makes both him and Gogeta potentially scale too
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Something about this seems contradictory to me.
What is destroying the Universe exactly? Buu, or the alternate dimensions spilling in?
If the justification you're giving is "Buu was completely breaking down all of space-time" then that sounds like the proposal is that Buu would destroy the Universe himself.
But the statements from Dende and Vegito suggest that it's not Buu but the alternate dimensions rushing in that are going to destroy the Universe.
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Hirudegarn already scales via shitcanning Post-Buu Saga Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan
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"Gogeta and Vegito are equally-matched ultimate trump cards" - Weekly Shōnen Jump
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fusion methods are different, characters are in different points in time when they did both fusions, this logic doesn't work much
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Buu was significantly affecting the fabric of space-time enough to where it would warrant a 2-C rating. Alternate dimensions rushing in would be an aftermath which leads to total destructions.
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Doesn't particularly matter. As I've outlined above, the "wall between dimensions" that Buu is breaking down with his fit is just the fabric of the universe's spacetime. If he is destroying that entirely, then it's a 2-C feat regardless of whether or not the anime counts it as "destroying the universe."
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He has a point, though. It should be reworded. Something like "Buu was affecting space-time across the entire macrocosm"
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that is not what i contested, space time is between other space times separating them? because if you say that the barriers are space time this is what it is implied, this still feels confusing
that is talking about super gogeta, not dbz gogeta
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But isn't it possible that Buu wasn't "destroying it entirely" but destroying it enough for the Universe to be vulnerable to alternate dimensions?
Dende does say that the space near Buu is being warped, not that space across the entire width and breadth of the Universe is being warped.
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well they did that in an even smaller time frame in the "post vegetto separation" key
wait, space time is separating space time from other space times? this is confusing
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Well, we kinda fused the canons, even if we don't use that, there's also this one;
"Unifying the spirits of the two strongest rivals and merging them together, Fusion has better balance and is able to draw their power out to the max!! Therefore, if it is a short match of thirty minutes or less, then Gogeta should win, while if it is a long battle, then Vegetto should win!!"
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No, this is an unfounded assumption, because these barriers keep apart infinite sized realms from colliding. And he does this to multiple barriers.
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not relevant when it is talking about different characters and universes altogether
you should have lead with that
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well if the argument really is about him destroying the barriers then they should be listed in the justification
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Anyways, let's stop derailing
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It seems more like a straight reading of what the statements are saying than an unfounded assumption to me, tbh.
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Wonder what are Mavericks and Null's thoughts on this.
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Think at least the former is gonna comment when they're online
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