DB Toei - About Buuhan's Tier 2 rating

[JohnCenaNation]

Yep Janemba movie is canon for Z, Gogeta and Janemba scales through Majin Buu yeah lol

Supposedly every DB Movies & DBZ Movies are canon to DB Anime & DBZ Anime, then how high can we get into DBGT scaling? Is it enough for DBGT Goku to finally be a match for DBS Goku?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Supposedly every DB Movies & DBZ Movies are cannon to DB Anime & DBZ Anime, how high can we get in DBGT scaling? Is it enough for DBGT Goku to finally be a match for DBS Goku?

2-C scaling still only starts at Buuhan so nothing changes

Anyways, let's not derail

 

[Omegabronic]

Supposedly every DB Movies & DBZ Movies are cannon to DB Anime & DBZ Anime

nope, only janemba, garlic jr and the first cooler movie are considered canon here

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

nope, only janemba, garlic jr and the first cooler movie are considered canon here

Dawg he was talking hypothetically

 

[JohnCenaNation]

nope, only janemba, garlic jr and the first cooler movie are considered canon here

 

[Omegabronic]

Dawg he was talking hypothetically

???

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

why is it always the same people that start derailing DB threads

Alright, guys, take this to the discussion thread.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Anyway, I wrote up a justification:

Low Multiverse level (After losing control of himself, he began to radiate such power that his tantrums threatened to completely break down the fabric of spacetime, which Dende and Vegito state would lead to alternate dimensions leaking over into each other and eventually crushing the universe entirely)

Once we have enough agreements, I guess the only thing left will be discussing who potentially backscales from this.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Anyway, I wrote up a justification:

Low Multiverse level (After losing control of himself, he began to radiate such power that his tantrums threatened to completely break down the fabric of spacetime, which Dende and Vegito state would lead to alternate dimensions leaking over into each other and eventually crushing the universe entirely)

Once we have enough agreements, I guess the only thing left will be discussing people who potentially backscale to this.

Sounds good to me.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Anyway, I wrote up a justification:

Low Multiverse level (After losing control of himself, he began to radiate such power that his tantrums threatened to completely break down the fabric of spacetime, which Dende and Vegito state would lead to alternate dimensions leaking over into each other and eventually crushing the universe entirely)

Once we have enough agreements, I guess the only thing left will be discussing people who potentially backscale to this.

Aye sir, let's keep the upgrade going!

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Anyway, I wrote up a justification:

Low Multiverse level (After losing control of himself, he began to radiate such power that his tantrums threatened to completely break down the fabric of spacetime, which Dende and Vegito state would lead to alternate dimensions leaking over into each other and eventually crushing the universe entirely)

Once we have enough agreements, I guess the only thing left will be discussing people who potentially backscale to this.

I mean there's you and two calc members (if they count)

Also its obvious who scales (all canon Toeiverse profiles with 3-B)

besides Toei Gogeta but I'm pretty sure he should scale to this

 

[Omegabronic]

Anyway, I wrote up a justification:

Low Multiverse level (After losing control of himself, he began to radiate such power that his tantrums threatened to completely break down the fabric of spacetime, which Dende and Vegito state would lead to alternate dimensions leaking over into each other and eventually crushing the universe entirely)

Once we have enough agreements, I guess the only thing left will be discussing who potentially backscales from this.

if the feat is him destroying the barriers between the dimensions then they should be listed in the description

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

if the feat is him destroying the barriers between the dimensions then they should be listed in the description

The fabric of space-time is literally the "barriers" space-time is the "barrier" that separates them

 

[Omegabronic]

I mean there's you and two calc members (if they count)

they don't, only thread mod and admins

Also its obvious who scales (all canon Toeiverse profiles with 3-B)

not really, janemba wouldn't

besides Toei Gogeta but I'm pretty sure he should scale to this

why so?

 

[Omegabronic]

The fabric of space-time is literally the "barriers" space-time is the "barrier" that separates them

space time separating it self from space time? this feels confusing

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

not really, janemba wouldn't

Janemba is not 3-B bruh

why so?

Because he's a fusion of the same Goku and Vegeta that resulted in Vegito, a guy who shitcanned Buuhan in base form

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

space time separating it self from space time? this feels confusing

Space-time is separated from other space-times yes.

 

[Omegas03]

2-C Z is based as ****.

Anyway, I wrote up a justification:

Low Multiverse level (After losing control of himself, he began to radiate such power that his tantrums threatened to completely break down the fabric of spacetime, which Dende and Vegito state would lead to alternate dimensions leaking over into each other and eventually crushing the universe entirely)

Once we have enough agreements, I guess the only thing left will be discussing who potentially backscales from this.

If Buuhan is Super Buu + Mystic Gohan then Gohan, Buutenks, Gotenks, etc could potentially backscale from this too.

Hildegarn scales too, and I am sure there's an statement regarding Janemba being the strongest Z movie villain which makes both him and Gogeta potentially scale too

 

[Damage3245]

Anyway, I wrote up a justification:

Low Multiverse level (After losing control of himself, he began to radiate such power that his tantrums threatened to completely break down the fabric of spacetime, which Dende and Vegito state would lead to alternate dimensions leaking over into each other and eventually crushing the universe entirely)

Once we have enough agreements, I guess the only thing left will be discussing who potentially backscales from this.

Something about this seems contradictory to me.

What is destroying the Universe exactly? Buu, or the alternate dimensions spilling in?

If the justification you're giving is "Buu was completely breaking down all of space-time" then that sounds like the proposal is that Buu would destroy the Universe himself.

But the statements from Dende and Vegito suggest that it's not Buu but the alternate dimensions rushing in that are going to destroy the Universe.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

2-C Z is based as ****.



If Buuhan is Super Buu + Mystic Gohan then Gohan, Buutenks, Gotenks, etc could potentially backscale from this too.

I am sure Hildegarn would too if this gets to be the case, and I am sure there's an statement regarding Janemba being the strongest Z movie villain which makes both him and Gogeta potentially scale too

Hirudegarn already scales via shitcanning Post-Buu Saga Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

why so?

"Gogeta and Vegito are equally-matched ultimate trump cards" - Weekly Shōnen Jump

 

[Omegabronic]

Because he's a fusion of the same Goku and Vegeta that resulted in Vegito, a guy who shitcanned Buuhan in base form

fusion methods are different, characters are in different points in time when they did both fusions, this logic doesn't work much

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Something about this seems contradictory to me.

What is destroying the Universe exactly? Buu, or the alternate dimensions spilling in?

If the justification you're giving is "Buu was completely breaking down all of space-time" then that sounds like the proposal is that Buu would destroy the Universe himself.

But the statements from Dende and Vegito suggest that it's not Buu but the alternate dimensions rushing in that are going to destroy the Universe.

Buu was significantly affecting the fabric of space-time enough to where it would warrant a 2-C rating. Alternate dimensions rushing in would be an aftermath which leads to total destructions.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

fusion methods are different, characters are in different points in time when they did both fusions, this logic doesn't work much

Ah yes because Goku and Vegeta had time to get stronger in the very small window of time between Fusion Reborn and them returning from Other World

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Something about this seems contradictory to me.

What is destroying the Universe exactly? Buu, or the alternate dimensions spilling in?

If the justification you're giving is "Buu was completely breaking down all of space-time" then that sounds like the proposal is that Buu would destroy the Universe himself.

Doesn't particularly matter. As I've outlined above, the "wall between dimensions" that Buu is breaking down with his fit is just the fabric of the universe's spacetime. If he is destroying that entirely, then it's a 2-C feat regardless of whether or not the anime counts it as "destroying the universe."

 

[Omegas03]

I am sure Goku and Vegeta at Fusion Reborn are the same as they were pre-Vegito separation which makes both fusion equally or almost equally as strong

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Buu was significantly affecting the fabric of space-time enough to where it would warrant a 2-C rating. Alternate dimensions rushing in would be an aftermath which leads to total destructions.

He has a point, though. It should be reworded. Something like "Buu was affecting space-time across the entire macrocosm"

 

[Omegabronic]

Space-time is separated from other space-times yes.

that is not what i contested, space time is between other space times separating them? because if you say that the barriers are space time this is what it is implied, this still feels confusing

"Gogeta and Vegito are equally-matched ultimate trump cards" - Weekly Shōnen Jump

that is talking about super gogeta, not dbz gogeta

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

that is talking about super gogeta, not dbz gogeta

And its not reliable anyway. Its from Weekly Jump

 

[Damage3245]

Doesn't particularly matter. As I've outlined above, the "wall between dimensions" that Buu is breaking down with his fit is just the fabric of the universe's spacetime. If he is destroying that entirely, then it's a 2-C feat regardless of whether or not the anime counts it as "destroying the universe."

But isn't it possible that Buu wasn't "destroying it entirely" but destroying it enough for the Universe to be vulnerable to alternate dimensions?

Dende does say that the space near Buu is being warped, not that space across the entire width and breadth of the Universe is being warped.

 

[Omegabronic]

Ah yes because Goku and Vegeta had time to get stronger in the very small window of time between Fusion Reborn and them returning from Other World

well they did that in an even smaller time frame in the "post vegetto separation" key

Doesn't particularly matter. As I've outlined above, the "wall between dimensions" that Buu is breaking down with his fit is just the fabric of the universe's spacetime. If he is destroying that entirely, then it's a 2-C feat regardless of whether or not the anime counts it as "destroying the universe."

wait, space time is separating space time from other space times? this is confusing

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

that is talking about super gogeta, not dbz gogeta

Well, we kinda fused the canons, even if we don't use that, there's also this one;
"Unifying the spirits of the two strongest rivals and merging them together, Fusion has better balance and is able to draw their power out to the max!! Therefore, if it is a short match of thirty minutes or less, then Gogeta should win, while if it is a long battle, then Vegetto should win!!"

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

But isn't it possible that Buu wasn't "destroying it entirely" but destroying it enough for the Universe to be vulnerable to alternate dimensions?

No, this is an unfounded assumption, because these barriers keep apart infinite sized realms from colliding. And he does this to multiple barriers.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

well they did that in an even smaller time frame in the "post vegetto separation" key

That's just them miraculously getting stronger after the fusion was split, for whatever reason (and it goes without saying that that was after the fusion so it has no bearing on the pre-Vegito Saiyan Duo)

 

[Omegabronic]

Well, we kinda fused the canons

not relevant when it is talking about different characters and universes altogether

, even if we don't use that, there's also this one;
"A 1995 issue of Weekly Shōnen Jump comparing Gogeta to Vegito stated that Fusion Dance is able to draw out more power compared to Potara, and as such Gogeta was stronger than his counterpart Vegito and would defeat Vegito in a fight that took less than thirty minutes, but Vegito would win in a longer battle."

you should have lead with that

 

[Omegabronic]

No, this is an unfounded assumption, because these barriers keep apart infinite sized realms from colliding. And he does this to multiple barriers.

well if the argument really is about him destroying the barriers then they should be listed in the justification

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Well, we kinda fused the canons, even if we don't use that, there's also this one;
"Unifying the spirits of the two strongest rivals and merging them together, Fusion has better balance and is able to draw their power out to the max!! Therefore, if it is a short match of thirty minutes or less, then Gogeta should win, while if it is a long battle, then Vegetto should win!!"

I don't think Weekly Jump should be trusted regarding this case when its stated in both continuities that the Potara results in a stronger fusion

Anyways, let's stop derailing

 

[Damage3245]

No, this is an unfounded assumption, because these barriers keep apart infinite sized realms from colliding. And he does this to multiple barriers.

It seems more like a straight reading of what the statements are saying than an unfounded assumption to me, tbh.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Wonder what are Mavericks and Null's thoughts on this.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Wonder what are Mavericks and Null's thoughts on this.

Think at least the former is gonna comment when they're online