Daredevil Revision

[RinkakuKagune]

Daredevil should be updated to Tier 8-A.

He's fought multiple 8-A characters, and has matched most and defeated some of them as well.


Wolverine:

1


Winter Soldier

1

2

3

4


Deadpool

1


Captain America

1

2


Black Panther

1


8-A Daredevil?

Note: The number's aren't for the amount of encounters, but rather the amount of times Daredevil can be seen actually fighting against the opponent as an equal.

 

[RinkakuKagune]

Bump.

 

[Golden_Void]

The scaling seems reasonable, though you should check with the people here:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_Comics#Supporters_and_Opponents_of_this_Comic

 

[Newendigo]

Unfurtunely, he can't be scaled.

Basically, everyone fought everyone in Marvel, if we go by that then we'll have things such a Daredevil being scaled to Cap, who is being scaled to Iron Man, and then this one being scaled to Thor.

Or DD being scaled to Black Panther, who would scale to Silver Surfer, and Spiderman is comparable to him...

 

[Golden_Void]

Newendigo makes sense, so just in case, you should also check this out:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Power-scaling_Rules_for_Marvel_and_DC_Comics

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Daredevil being scaled to Captain America is not nearly as outrageous as more extreme examples, but you should still ask Matthew to respond here.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I am VERY unsure about 8-A Daredevil.

However, changing Iron Fist to "8-A, 7-A with the Iron Fist" is a good idea. I prefer it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I would appreciate if you or somebody else could update the Iron Fist page accordingly.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Done.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

Nevertheless, there are not such massive differences between Captain America and Daredevil, or other characters of that level, so the current 9-C and 9-B ratings are starting to look rather silly.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

There technically isn't such a massive difference between The Thing and Thor most of the time yet they are rated with similar disparity.

 

[Antvasima]

Well technically there has traditionally been a massive difference most of the time, especially in terms of feats, but nevertheless I think that "street level" characters are officially supposed to be reasonably comparable.

 

[RinkakuKagune]

Well these are consistent feats and for quite a few multiple showings, and Daredevil has easily superior to Falcon and Crossbones (he's actually defeating him before). I can somewhat understand if you do not accept them. However I would agree with Ant (unless I've confused what he's saying) that the 9-C and 9-B rating are quite outlandish. Perhaps DD can be At least High 8-C or 8-B (+ maybe)? 9-B seems very low for a chacter that has repeatedly fought 8-A characters.

 

[Meosos]

To be honest, I personally think that all the 8-A characters that scale to Deadpool should be downgraded, just going by general strength feats.

Most of them have only 9-B/9-A/8-C feats at best (with a few outliners), which should be used instead of the normal scaling.

Cap as an example:

Breaking a steel door

Pulling down a helicopter

Slicing through a tank

But of course you can look for yourself:

Cap Respect Thread

Black Panther Respect Thread

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Dude...

 

[TeenAngel101]

Matt made a full, like... 20 page essay stating why they are 8-A, which I agree with. As did everyone else, or it wouldn't have been accepted.

Scaling only works if it makes sense, Cap is an enhanced supersolider, Deadpool is a mutant...

Daredevil is an ordinary, well-trained dude.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Both Captain America and Black Panther have Building level feats. Captain America has a calculated MCB feat, and Wolverine has Building level and MCB feats. Beast from X-Men has a Building level feat, and Gambit has Building level feats.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I could see Daredevil becoming 9-A or something, though.

 

[TeenAngel101]

His weight bo-staff feat DOES have a 9-A end already.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Bo-Staff feat is whatever.

He would actually be scaling from Punisher who I think has survived RPG-shots;

 

[Meosos]

Stay calm, its just my opinion. If they have those feats, they should be linked in there profile to further justify there AP.

Can someone link me this "20 page essay" from Matt ?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Meosos has a point in that most of their feats are of that level, but I also vaguely recall that blog post from Matthew.

 

[TeenAngel101]

Here's all of it:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Matthew_Schroeder/Deadpool:_Merc_with_the_Durability

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...eder/Marvel_Comics:_Wolverine_Getting_Punched

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkanine/Marvel:_Captain_America_Tanks_Something

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Punisher survived:

• Being pushed by Sentry and sent flying away
• Being punched through a wall by Spider-Ma
• Survived being hurled into the sky, and the fall that followed
• Survived this explosio
• Endures torture from Electro
• Strapped a land mine to his chest and self-detonated
• Shoved from a window by Deadpool and fell into a car with enough force to flatten it
• Grenade exploding in his face
• Grenade explodes in his feet, still fine
• Tanks flamethrower
• Falls of a window and into a car
• then, not long after, he fights the Hand Cla (Fight too long, so just linking the full scene in the issue. But he gets several cuts and is even pushed through walls) Highlight is punching four ninjas at once
• Then he gets electrocuted, and soon later he survives this
• Survives blast from Skrull RPG with minor damage

So yeah, Room / Small Building level Punisher.

 

[Golden_Void]

That landmine feat is crazy, the upgrades look good.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Now AP feats:

• Kool Aid Man doesn't have shit
• Kills a bull with a piece of wood
• Found another grenade survival feat
• Overpowers a whole gang
• Snaps necks and hurls people away
• Kicks door open into soldier's face, also avoids getting shot
• Rips a man's mechanical hand of (Gore)
• Breaks off his restraints with ease
• Wrestles a crocodile
• Hurls a guy into a door, shattering it
• Shatters wall

 

[Meosos]

What AP would you propose ?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

9-A. Small Building level.

Scales to Daredevil and most 9-Bs.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Feel free to upgrade the 9-B and 9-C characters accordingly then.

 

[Newendigo]

Well, I guess we can close?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I still need to apply this to the 9-Bs.

 

[Antvasima]

And the 9-C's as well, I think.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think that the only 9-C we have is Hawkeye.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that we have a few others as well, such as Falcon/Captain America, Kitty Pryde, Black Widow, Star-Lord, and such.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I don't think Kitty Pryde scales.

 

[Antvasima]

She is usually treated as much stronger than a regular human, even though she looks weak.

 

[Antvasima]

Remember when she was controlled by Ogun, and matched Wolverine, and she was still a young teenager then.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I edited some profiles, but I am hesitant on applying scaling to everyone.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it still looks weirdly inconsistent to most visitors if the statistics of roughly comparable characters are all over the place.

 

[Antvasima]

And I agree that 8-A ratings intuitively seem like a bit much for most "street level" characters.