Daredevil Revision

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Hence why only the very top get that level.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but there still needs to be some degree of consistency. I do not think that Kitty Pryde is 9-C if Gambit is 8-A.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I don't think that Gambit is 8-A either.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the problem is that this is where reasonably consistent power-scaling leads us.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think that Gambit is like, Building level.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but going by most feats, so is Captain America.

 

[TeenAngel101]

^He's right. Gambit consistently battles 8-A characters, which is the same reason Cap is 8-A

 

[Meosos]

Those are all characters that are 8-A and below, which should get a revision:

Wolverine, Gambit, Shadowcat, Jubilee, Nightcrawler, Beast, Moonstar, X-23, Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Black Panther, Spider Woma, Blade, Shang Chi, Daredevil, Punisher, Elektra, Black Cat, Crossbones, Bullseye, Batroc the Leaper, Sabretooth, Kingpi

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the help with assembling a list.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm only time with 8-A Cap, Black Panther, Deadpool, Wolverine, Beast (possible), Blade and that's it. Maybe X-23 but she is weaker than Wolverine.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should the rest be placed at 9-A instead?

 

[Antvasima]

Beast is supposed to be physically equal to Spider-Man btw.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I couldn't actually find that many instances of That being the case. But maybe?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, as I have mentioned previously, fixing and making the Marvel profiles reasonably consistent is a very high priority.

 

[Meosos]

I personally think that that the characters Matt mentioned should only be 9-A/8-C at most, since none of them sems to have an actual 8-A feat.

Spider Woman and Beast (eventually Wolverine) seem the be the physical strongest, who could eventually be above 9-A/8-C, with Spider Woman defeating Spider Ma , killing Super Skrulls and lifting a bridge

 

[Antvasima]

Spider-Woman should scale from Spider-Man, yes.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Spider-Woman is the strongest of the ones listed.

As for 8-A feats, I've found those for Deadpool, Wolverine, Captain America, plus Building level feats for Beast, Cap and Black Panther. Luke Cage also has a feat of barely surviving a Low 7-C nuke which is consistent with 8-A durability.

 

[Antvasima]

Luke Cage is supposed to be considerably stronger than Spider-Man and the Green Goblin.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Luke Cage is supposed to be considerably stronger than Spider-Man and the Green Goblin.

He's on that level, yes. It just further supports the strongest Street-bound heroes being that strong.

 

[Antvasima]

Luke Cage is supposed to be much more powerful than most "street level" characters though.

Btw: The Marvel Comics page still needs to have its character sections organised in alphabetical order, if anybody is interested in helping out.

 

[RinkakuKagune]

Well Daredevil has also fought Crossbones:

Here, honestly with so many examples of his defeating and/or fighting 8-A character's even with Marvel's inconsistencies I don't see why he isn't 8-A?

 

[Meosos]

You mean 9-A/8-C since we talking about downgrades for some of the charaters.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Crossbones I don't think should be 8-A

 

[Huesito88]

Isn't Crossbones mainly a Captain America villain?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

There's a time where a depowered Captain America beat Crossbones.

 

[MJF6219]

The 9-A upgrade should apply to Moon Knight as well right since he's shown to be really comparable to Daredevil as well as Punisher.

 

[Newendigo]

Well, about organizing the Marvel's profiles, I think that the verse page should have a better categorization.

Cosmic Entities

Heroes.

Villains.

Others.

^I don't think this is a good categorization, it just make the page prospectively much large and disordered.

 

[Antvasima]

@Newendigo

Okay. I am open for better suggestions.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think we should split it into teams / groups.

Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Defenders, Abstracts, Asgardians

 

[Newendigo]

I was actually thinking in split the categories per character franchise, for example:

Spiderman:
Spider-Ma, Spider-Gwe, Spider-Man (Miles Morales), Green Gobli, Venom, Etc (Just add the pics to the profiles and will look better).

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the problem is that some profiles do not sort neatly under any of those categories, but I suppose that those could go under "Other" instead. Also, I think that "Cosmic Entities" works better than "Abstracts" and "Deities" works better than "Asgardians".

@Matthew

Feel free to reorganise the page if you wish in any case.

 

[Ryandswagger]

I feel like Punisher should recieve an upgrade in at least durability (but likely attack potency as well)

Considering Punisher was able to survive a school explosion and only have a relatively small injury should be at least building level.

https://m.imgur.com/a/DHdUI

 

[Meosos]

I originally sorted them into those chategories.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but it turned rather disorganised regarding which character that should go to which category.

 

[RinkakuKagune]

If there are going to be major upgrades/downgrades to Marvel character and not just Daredevil then Maybe We should highlight this thread? And once again, Daredevil has consistently hurt solid 8-A characters. Why he shouldn't scale to them even with Marvel's inconsistencies doesn't make sense. If different writers across a long period of time (some showings are pre 2000's and others barely 2-3 years ago) have put him on that level then why are we claiming that he isn't?

 

[Antvasima]

It is probably better if Matthew creates a new discussion thread for such a purpose in that case.

It may or may not be best to make it staff only as a precaution.

 

[RinkakuKagune]

Yeah the Marvel upgrades thread should be staff only I agree with that. However with regards to Daredevil's upgrades I don't see why with so much evidence a Tier 8-A rating is being rejected.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Marvel is extremely inconsistent, and most of the street level characters (I do not include Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, Beast, etcetera in this category) do not have anywhere near tier 8-A feats on their own. I think that it might be better to consider such feats as outliers, and scale them all as 9-A or 8-C, to not make it too inconsistent. However, Matthew is the one in charge of the Marvel scaling.

 

[TeenAngel101]

I am starting to think that might be better. As it is most consistent with the overall scaling.

However, I'm pretty sure all the 8-A stuff is Deadpool's Durability. There are feats that are 8-A from Cap and Wolverine, however Cap's feat was blocked with his shield, which is 4-B. Wolverine also has Adamantium Skeleton, which is also 4-B.

 

[Antvasima]

That is true. Wolverine and Cap are generally treated as if the adamantium is protecting them.